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blitz77 Inactive Member |
[darned double-posting thingy]
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blitz77 Inactive Member |
How about this site?
If you want to learn more, try David Rohl's "A Test of Time: From Myth to History" and "Legend: The Genesis of Civilization" books. [NB: the books are very long, about 500 A4 sized pages each chock full of chronologies, pictures, diagrams, tablets, ancient writings, etc] Also, David Rohl is not Christian so you can't accuse him of bias. [This message has been edited by blitz77, 08-20-2002]
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blitz77 Inactive Member |
I'm afraid David Rohl disagrees with you
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blitz77 Inactive Member |
According to David Rohl The flood occurred around 3000 BC.
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blitz77 Inactive Member |
David Rohl says that the flood was real, not a legend.
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blitz77 Inactive Member |
Read in context. In 18:18 it says that during his lifetime Absalom raised a monument to himself-and wrote that that he THOUGHT he would have no sons. It is not as if someone else wrote that Absalom had no sons, its just that earlier in his life he thought he wouldn't.
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blitz77 Inactive Member |
Let me be more specific; he says that the flood happened during the Uruk period; about 4000 - 3100 BC on the conventional chronology.
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blitz77 Inactive Member |
You don't need the context anyway because it says from where you quoted (18:18) "During his life-time Absalom had taken a pillar and erected it in the King's Valley as a monument to himself, for he thought 'I have no son to carry on the memory of my name.'"--NIV, 2 Sam 18:18
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blitz77 Inactive Member |
lol... I haven't got that book (legend: the test of time) here; I'll have to borrow it and take a look at it on its section on this. I did that from memory,the Uruk period according to the new chronology is a few hundred years later. But it gives you more time, and he backs it up using both the Biblical king list, Sumerian king list, the epics of Ziusudra, Atrahasis, and Gilgamesh XI, Dionysis, Osiris and archaeologist's reports.
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blitz77 Inactive Member |
Which portions don't you believe are true?
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If people want to know more about some of the books by David Rohl, this is a summary what they are about-(using Debate Topics: Historical)
A Test of Time: From Myth to History-Rohl restructures the conventional chronology of Egyptian history, synthesizing it with the Israelite history and chronology. Using the new chronology, he identifies Ramesses II with the biblical Shishak. For King Solomon, he relocates the Solomonic period to the Late Bronze Age. This was an age of wealth and prosperity in the Levant, reflecting the biblical narrative of the wealth of Solomon's reign. Previously, Solomon was placed in a period of general impoverishment - the Early Iron Age.For Saul, Akhenaten was the 18th Dynasty ruler who sought to change the entire religion and culture of Egypt to the worship of one deity, the sun-god Re, in the form of the Aten sun disc. Under his rule, however, Egypt became militarily weak and was brought to the brink of revolution. The superpower of the day was crippled, allowing a new power base to emerge in the Levant under the rule of firstly Saul, then David. This culminated in the reign of Solomon, with enough consolidated power to force a marriage alliance between himself and a later pharaoh's daughter. Using the amarna tablets, he shows that Saul is Labayu. For David, before he became king his band was a group of wanderers-as mercenaries-they enter the service of Achish, king of Gath, who quarters them in Gath. This is identical to the habiru in the amarna tablets. From the tablets-""Say to Yanhamu, my lord: Message of Mutbaal, your servant. I fall at the feet of my lord. How can it be said in your presence, Mutbaal has fled. He has hidden Ayab'? How can the king of Pella flee from the commissioner, agent of the king, his lord? As the king, my lord, lives, as the king my lord lives, I swear Ayab is not in Pella. In fact, he has been in the field (i.e. on campaign) for 2 months. Just ask Benenima. Just ask Dadua. Just ask Yishuya." linguists have ascertained that Ayab is none other than Joab, commander of David's Hebrew army, Benenima is Baanah, one of Israel's chieftains, Dadua is a form of the name David, king of Judah and Yishuya is the name Jesse (Heb. Yishay), the father of David. Moses-According to Artapanus (3rd century BC), a pharoah was persecuting the Israelites, named Palmanothes.Prince Mousos grew up to administer the land on behalf of this pharaoh. He led a military campaign against the Ethiopians who were invading Egypt; however, upon his return, Khenephres grew jealous of his popularity. Mousos then fled to Arabia to return when Khenephres died and lead the Israelites to freedom. Also, Avaris was built on a series of sandy hillocks to avoid the annual floodwaters of the Nile. The people who lived in Avaris, however, were not Egyptian but Asiatic Palestinian or Syrian.The finds there included numerous pottery fragments of Palestinian origin. Several factors about the graves were particularly fascinating:- 65% of the burials were of children under 18 months of age, the normal for this period being 20-30%. Recorded in Exodus 1:22 is the killing of male Israelite children.A disproportionately high number of adult women as opposed to adult men are buried here, again pointing to the slaughter of male Israelite babies. For the tenth plague, I'll just quote the site- quote: Joshua and the city of Jericho-
quote: Joseph and the famine-quote: The pharaoh buying all the land, and evidence for Joseph-
quote: quote: Legend: The Genesis of Time-Rohl proposes that Eden and its garden was between Lakes Van and Urmin and the Caspian Sea, with Nod on its east. Then he claims the ancestors of the Sumerians migrated in the 6th millennium BC from this "Eden" to Mesopotamia, establishing Sumerian culture there, and identical with biblical Shem. The Mesopotamian and biblical Flood, he sets in the late 4th millennium BC. In part three, Rohl brings Sumerian traders to East Africa (Punt & Sudan--"Kush"), and Egypt, becoming founders of Pharaonic Egypt, using cultural links c.3000BC. He correlates the Sumerian King List, Biblical King List, Ziusudra, Gilgamesh, Noah, Dionysus and Osiris. A new book coming out this year by David Rohl called "The Lost Testament" follows the sequence of events from the rise of Neolithic civilization, through Noah, Abraham and the sojourn in Egypt, to the fall of Jericho, the dual kingdoms of the Promised Land and lastly, exile in Babylon. [This message has been edited by blitz77, 08-24-2002]
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