PROOF OF GOD

Here is the diagram of the interior passages of the Great Pyramid.http://www.gizapyramid.com/map20.jpgIt is the claim of this post to say that this passage system perfectly symbolizes the claims of the Bible.It is the claim of this post that the Great Pyramid corroborates the written claims of scripture. This corroboration confirms the Bible to be true, confirms the greatest proof of God's existence.The passageways in the Pyramid cannot be altered or changed, this eliminates the criticism that the written record cannot be independantly confirmed.Isaiah 19:19,20 is the verse of scripture that identifies the Great Pyramid to be God's creation.______________________________________________________________________
Isaiah 19
19 In that day shall there be an altar to the LORD in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the LORD.
20 And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the LORD of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the LORD because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
______________________________________________________________________This verse, in the original hebrew contains 30 words. Hebrew letters have numeric value, hence, each word totals the amount of its letters.
When you add up the TOTAL numeric value of each letter in the 30 words it comes to a grand total of 5449.The Pyramid is exactly 5,449 sacred inches in height from the base to the Summit Platform.What's a "sacred inch" ?It is exactly 1/500,000,000 of the Earth's polar diameter. In other words, the distance between the center polar axis north to center polar axis south.If you split a human hair in half - that is the difference between the British inch and the Sacred inch.Notice the Isaiah verse says that this altar and pillar stands in the middle and border of Egypt.Egypt is the only country in the world where you can be in the center of Egypt and at the border. This is so because at the exact location of the Pyramid is the Nile-Delta Quadrant, which is the border of Upper and Lower Egypt AND it is the center of all Egypt.Refer back to the diagram.Position 1 and the long descending passage - if you extend that line out into space......Position 4 represents what are called "scored lines" etched into the roof of the passageway. If you take that line and extend it into space......According to Royal Astronomer Sir John Herschel; in the 22nd century B.C. the North Star Draconis (Dragon Star) was perfectly aligned to shine its light down the passageway. Also in the same year, the line extended from the scored lines intersected with the principal star in the cluster Pleiades - that star was Alcyone, which is called by God in the Book of Job "sweet influences" (38:31).These two intersections become an inalterable benchmark in time. The only time that these two stars were lined up as previously described was in 2141 B.C.This date becomes the starting point of a prophetic chronograph.What happens when you assign an inch for a year ?Measure the inches from the scored lines (Position 4) to Position 5, which is where the first ascending passage begins and we arrive at 1453 B.C.Now we know the exact year of the Exodus out of Egypt. But, originally you could not start ascending upwards because there was a granite plug in the way.Measure the inches between Position 5 and Position 7 where the Grand Gallery begins and we come to 33 A.D. (remember 1 inch equals 1 year)Now Let Me Interpret:Mankind under the influence of Satan/Dragon Star is on a downward path to the pit/hell. But God is sweet and gracious and He intercedes via the Hebrews and Moses Law. This intercession has man escaping the downward direction of the Dragon through Law, which is perfectly symbolized by the first ascending passage of having to stoop under the rigors of law. The granite plug symbolizes that the ascension under law could not begin without the miracle of the Red Sea parting. This ascension under Law ends when the Grand Gallery begins with the death of Christ. The Grand Gallery is the age of the Church and grace.
Man can now walk upright free from Law and its unbending terror.This is what the Bible teaches. So does the Pyramid.Notice that the Well Shaft (Position 17) extends from just above the pit to the beginning of the Grand Galley. This symbolizes the Resurrection of Christ, meaning the only thing that can save you from the pit/hell is the grace of God originating from the Grand Gallery of Grace.This post is just a minute sample of the greatest wonder in the world. Many Egyptologists won't even look at this evidence. They just assume because the Pyramid is in Egypt makes it the creation of Egyptians. Did the Egyptians build the Suez Canal ? Of course not!Dr. Scott said that he first thought that this was all nonsense - until he looked at the evidence. His scholarship in the subject got noticed by the estate of the greatest Pyramid researcher of all time - James Rutherford, which bequeathed his entire library to Dr. Scott upon the death of Rutherford's wife.Dr. Scott: There are too many "coincidences", one must conclude at some point that they are not coincidences. The Pyramid is God's witness to this scientific generation who rejects His written word.Source for this post:The Great Pyramid Decodedauthor: E. Raymond Capt M.A.,A.I.A.,F.S.A.,SCOT

With the exception of Paulk, every reply thus far is a non sequitor. A reply that has nothing to do with the evidence provided.Brian: The post explains WHY that date/year is the year of the Exodus.
Interestingly enough, if my memory serves me correctly, Velikovsky came within 7 years.Mike the Wiz: Wacky ? You bet ! But people like Dr. Scott said the same exact thing, so did David Davidson, who went to Egpyt to prove these claims fake and ended up writing the greatest research demonstrating the claim !Paulk: I will get back to your post ASAP - thank you.

Do you want to know why the metric system is full of shit ?It is based on increments of the Earth's diameter, whereas the British and Sacred inch are based on the precise increments of the polar axis.Shove an imaginary pole through the Earth, and the distance from pole to pole can be chopped into 500,000,000 increments.How did the builders of this Pyramid know this ?This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 05-11-2004 01:57 PM

Mike: How many months and years have you spent reviewing the evidence of these claims ?Even as a rank amateur I have spent several years listening to the best scholarship about this Pyramid.The world at large has been lied to by the most dogma based scientists in the world - Egyptologists.

The Pyramid says the Exodus happened in 1453 B.C. (the one led by Moses)Velikovsky, I believe, came within 7 years of that date.We both know that the Exodus has been widely debated as to when it ocurred. The external evidence, the dates set by people like Velikovsky and others narrow the year within the ballpark. Pyramidologists conclude Giza is correct because of the way it arrives at the date. This in conjunction with other dates cements a case that sides with the Pyramid - do you understand what I am saying ?I have to suddenly go off line....

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Isaiah 19:19 refers to an altar in the midst of Egypt and a pillar at the border. Why do you say that these refer to the same thing ?
______________________________________________________________________Because the verse is saying that something exists in the middle of Egpyt AND on the border of Egypt.This exactitude means if you locate the center of Egypt, that this spot WILL ALSO be the border between Upper and Lower Egypt.According to Dr. Scott an altar is a place of death where objects/hagios are surrendered to the Deity for the exclusive use of the Deity, OR an altar is something erected to testify to something.A pillar or in the hebrew "matstsebah'/monument is synonymous with the second defintion with the connotation being an object that is built/stone.As to your Exodus 20:25 reference: This verse cannot possibly negate or contradict the posted evidence. You need to explain in context what this verse says and then use it to refute what you object to.I believe the Exodus verse says God forbids the first type of altars from being chipped and ground, meaning the materials used must not be altered in any way.Paulk quote:
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Isaiah 19 refers to the future of Egypt from the perspective of Isaiah's time. Why do you assume that the altar and the pillar which will be present "in that day" are the Great Pyramid which already existed centuries before Isaiah ? Surely the implication of Isaiah is that they are not present at the time of writing.
______________________________________________________________________I agree that the Pyramid existed centuries prior to Isaiah.Isaiah was a prophet, which loosely interpreted means he occupied an office that spoke for God. It doesn't necessarily mean everything spoken was in the future.As to the rest of your pointy point I do not have an answer, but, the evidence presented in its totality in regards to this specific issue is not threatened by this point of yours unless you can somehow demonstrate how the generalities disprove the specifics and details of the claim.Paulk quote:
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Why is it unreasonable to conclude that it is the people of these five cities who will set up the altar of Isaiah 19:19 ?
______________________________________________________________________This was your comment to Isaiah 19:18.I honestly do not know. However, I would need to consult with an expert like Dr. Scott before I open my mouth, furthermore, let me point out that when Jesus quoted Isaiah in Luke 4:18 He abruptly stopped in the middle of the verse (61:2) and then said "this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears". He stopped because the next phrase of that prophecy would not be fulfilled until the 2nd Coming when He comes in wrath to execute God's judgement. The point is Isaiah could prophesy thousands of years in one/two sentences. My point is that your rendering of the 18th verse could easily be incorrect, this and the other facts already presented are still not jeopardized. But you do have a valid point that stands until I can find the answer.

I cannot presently prove or evidence my claim pertaining to Velikovsky. I am searching my infuriating notes, this is why I prefaced my remarks with unsurety.Brian quote:
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Yes indeed we do. The date I propose in my dissertation is the mid 13th century BCE, in line with all the main scholars involved in the debate. A 15th century Exodus hasn't been pursued for decades.
______________________________________________________________________But what do the main scholars/yourself base your dating on ?
Brian, I am in no way challenging you as an opponent in this specific issue. I saw what you did to Buzsaw in a recent previous debate
I am reporting what I know from the sources I cite. What makes the Pyramid SO convincing is the identification of the starting benchmark.Dr. Scott recently said this: "Jesus was born in 4 B.C." which contradicts his earlier and long known position that the Pyramid marks Christ's birth to be 2 B.C. I don't know if he misspoke or has changed his view or if there are "reasons" why the Pyramid might be wrong. I intend to find out as soon as possible though.The OP is a sliver of a sample of the prophetic wonders encapsulated within the Pyramid.The 1453 date, and how it was arrived at, and the interpretation of the physical passageways ALL combine for a "coincidence" that would be impossible to achieve by luck or guesswork.

My next post will respond to the specifics of this reply, but, this response of yours does repeat points that I already answered in my previous reply.The purpose of this post is to supply links for you or anyone interested.IIS 8.5 Detailed Error - 404.0 - Not Foundhttp://asis.com/~stag/pyramid.htmlhttp://www.network54.com/Realm/Present_Truth/pyramid.html

Thank You Melchior !

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Isaiah specifies an altar to the Lord. Exodus 20:25 - which specifies a rule on how to build an altar to the Lord is relevant.
"If you make an altar of stone for Me, you shall not build it of cut stones, for if you wield your tool on it, you will profane it."
______________________________________________________________________The Isaiah verses in question clearly refer to the same object using two different words. This is done to further describe the object, then at the same time each descriptor is geographically located."altar" is identified to be in the midst/middle of Egypt."pillar"/monument is identified to be on the border thereof.I have already paraphrased Dr. Scott's defintionS of the word "altar".It is a place of death where sacrifice is made/objects are given to the deity for its exclusive use. The other defintion of "altar" is a monument or witness that testifies to something. Like when the Children of Israel crossed Jordan into Canaan, they were instructed to take twelve stones and build an altar/memorial to commemorate the Jordan crossing.Clearly the latter meaning of "altar" applies here. The Exodus verse that you are citing plainly is referring to an altar that the first definition describes.You need to recognize the dual meaning of "altar" and then show why/how the Exodus verse applies to the Isaiah verse. Obviously, you can disagree, but please to tell me why in lieu of what I have said/responded.Here is what E. Raymond Capt says:NILE-DELTA QUADRANTThe Great Pyramid of Gizeh stands at the geometric center and yet at the southern extremity of the Quadrant. The southern extremity, being the northenmost edge of the Giza plateau where the Great Pyramid stands looking over the fan-shaped sector of Egypt, was in ancient times at the boundary where the cultivated land touched the desert. This plateau was called Giza, which is the Arabic word for edge or border. It was this unusual location that first suggested the Great Pyramid was the monument spoken of in the Scriptures by Isaiah the prophet. Since the full official name of the Pyramid, the Great Pyramid of Giza, means, in English, the Great Pyramid of the Border, the answer to the apparently contradictory defintion of Isaiah is found in the Great Pyramid. The only spot on the face of the Earth that completely answers this description, both geometrically and geographically, is the precise place where the Great Pyramid actually stands. END CAPT EXCERPT. (The Great Pyramid Decoded, pages 12,13)Paulk quote:
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And if the Great Pyramid is a monument then it is surely a monument to Khufu, the Pharoah.
______________________________________________________________________Thats what Egpytologists tell us.The Pyramid defies this from being true. This would make Khufu the greatest ego-maniac of all time ! As if he is going to build such a magnificent structure for entombment. The Pyramid in no way resembles a tomb. The passageways cannot evidence tomb - this is utterly ridiculous.Go to the links that I have already provided and read the never ending list of scientific wonders contained in this building. The Pyramid already stood when Khufu reigned. The Egyptians could not of built this Pyramid. Only Divine providence can plausibly explain the Pyramid. The Isaiah verse and its numeric value equaling the height of the Pyramid is stunning evidence. Dr. Scott dismissed this as pure coincidence until too many coincidences became evidently true.The only evidence that exists for Khufu building THIS Pyramid is the fact that it resides in Egypt. Maybe thousands of years from now someone will offer an opinion that Egypt built the Suez Canal.E. Raymond Capt excerpt: (The Great Pyramid Decoded, page 11)The Great Pyramid was placed in the exact center of all the land area of the world. Lines drawn through the north-south and east-west axis of the Pyramid divide equally the earth's terrain. The north-south axis (31 degrees 9' meridian east Greenwich) is the longest land meridian, and the east-west axis (29 degrees 58'51' north), the longest land parallel. That the Architect knew where to find the poles of the Earth is evidenced by the high degree of accuracy in orienting the (Pyramid) true north. Modern man's best effort, the Paris Observatory, is six minutes of degrees off true north. The Great Pyramid today is only off three minutes and that after 4200 years, due mainly to subsidence and/or continental drift.
END CAPT EXCERPT.The continuing point is that the egyptians or any man could not of built this Pyramid without Divine help.According to the evolutionary scenario man has evolved from a dumb caveman into this present highly intelligent state. Where or how did mankind obtain this kind of knowledge thousands of years ago ?The only objective answer to this question is found when the evidence is compared to the claims of Scripture. These claims are corroborated by the Pyramid, and the Pyramid is corroborated by Scripture.With this Pyramid being aligned to true north, which is almost an impossible feat, this alignment has the long descending passageway directly aligned with the North Star in 2141 B.C. Draconis was the North Star and I believe the procession of the equinoxes takes about 26,000 years to recycle. This makes the alignment of the Pyramid a once in 26,000 years miraculous acheivement.In this particular year, Alcyone was also aligned with the scored lines. This year, 2141 B.C. becomes an unalterable benchmark to commense the alleged prophetic chronograph.Paulk quote:
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2) where does the "sacred inch" come from and why should we use that for a year ?
______________________________________________________________________I have already answered the Sacred inch is 1/500'000'000 of the Earth's polar axis from pole to pole.BUT I WILL answer the remainder of this very valid question in my next reply to you.Paulk quote:
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3) Why should position 5 be assumed to correspond to the Exodus ?
______________________________________________________________________Like I already said, because, the first ascending passage perfectly symbolizes man's first "escape" from the influence of the Dragon/Satan VIA the miraculous deliverance from Egypt (granite plug being the type of the parting of the Red Sea), AND the giving of the Law which is also perfectly symbolized via having to stoop as you ascend. This and the fact that the ascending passage ends at 33 A.D. (death of Christ) obscenely evidences that the preceding date refers to the Exodus and the subsequent giving of Moses Law.Paulk quote:
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4) Why not continue measuring down the descending passage to get the date corresponding to the well-shaft ?
______________________________________________________________________Those measurements have been done and recorded. Just before the pit, which symbolizes hell, we are in the late 1800's - the infancy of Modern thought and Critical thinking/Darwinism etc.etc.
This lets man know where God places the generation that rejects Him.
Knowledge isn't evil or bad its just that certains have used their brilliance to dismiss the Divine and lead many astray because of the image of intelligence equating religious beliefs to be irrational.
The only hope of persons dwelling in these times is that Well Shaft which symbolizes the Resurrection to lift you out of the grip of the Dragon and its end result - hell. That Well Shaft is God throwing us a lifeline to lift us into the grace of the Grand Gallery.Sorry for the long post - it just happened.This message has been edited by WILLOWTREE, 05-12-2004 06:14 PM

Thanks for posting this link. It will take me a few days to digest all this info/claims.If I have an area of expertise it is word meanings/theology of the New Testament and its infolding in the Old Testament. I am not anywhere in your O.T. league.

From: http://greatpyramid.org/aip/gr-pyr2.htmThe Great Pyramid exalts--without gold and jewels--the Creator and His plans and purposes for mankind. No king or pharaoh is buried there. It carries not the name Caesar, nor Sears, but the Creator, who is called in Daniel 8:13 "The Wonderful Numberer." Back to the meter--cubit(inch) comparison. The fact that scientists have only recently calculated the radius of the earth argues for the divine origin of the sacred cubit. Interest is compounded with the fact that the British system of measurement, based on the inch, is directly related to the cubit. Sir Isaac Newton has shown that the sacred cubit contained 25 inches (unlike the more recent cubit whose length is usually given as about 18 inches, or the royal cubit of about 20 inches used in ancient Egypt). Adam Rutherford, in his book series entitled Pyramidology, has laboriously argued that the sacred inch (the 1/25 part of the sacred cubit) is only a hair's breadth different from the British inch. The present work will not differentiate--as Rutherford continually does--between the Pyramid inch (1/25 of a sacred cubit) and the British inch, because it seems to me that the practical accuracy possible in measuring the elements of the Great Pyramid makes frivolous the minuscule distinction between the inches.7 For practical purposes, the two inches are one. Rodolfo Benavides claims that the English inch and the pyramid inch were the same during the reign of Queen Elizabeth.7aFrom: Prophetic timelines in the PyramidPyramidology is a very interesting study that began in the 19th century. Robert Menzies, in 1865 thought that the various passages were constructed according to a chronological scale of a geometric inch to a year. For example if you start at a certain point in the descending passage and this is represented by a certain year, than every inch you move represents one year forward. Major landmarks in the pyramid seemed to correlate with major historical dates. For example, let us start in the descending passage at the location of some scored lines. We will assign this location a date of 2141 BC (we will explain later why this date was arbitrarily chosen) and move down the passage. For every inch we move we move forward in time one year (one inch equals one year theory). When we get to where the ascending passage intersects with us, we are at the year 1453 BC which is thought to be the date of the exodus. If we move up the ascending passage, we finally come to a place where it opens up into the grand gallery. At this juncture, the date is 33AD, the assumed date for the crucifixion of Jesus. Thus pyramiologists have correlated major locations in the pyramids passageways with important biblical and secular dates.In order to have a chronology, you must have a starting point. Let us see how this was determined in the great pyramid. If we start from the outside of the north entrance and move down the descending passage about 40 feet, we come to series of so called "scored lines". These are straight knife-edge lines cut into the blocks from roof to floor. They are on each side of the passage and directly opposite each other. Also the descending passage is in exact alignment of true north. It can be shown that in the last 5,000 years, only at one time did the north star line up exactly with the descending passage and shine directly down. This occurred in 2141 BC and the north star at that time was Draconis also called the dragon star. The northern star changes gradually over long periods of time because of the precession of the earth on its axis (like a spinning top). Also only at that time, the star cluster known as the Pleiades in the constellation Taurus was in alignment with the scored lines. Thus this is the date that pyramidologists accept as the starting date at the scored lines. Measurements in inches from the scored lines represent chronology in years. Thus we count one year for every inch we move from the scored lines, starting at 2141 BC.Now, if we move down the descending passage to the beginning of the ascending passage, we have moved a distance of 688 inches. If each inch represents one year we are at (2141 BC — 688 = 1453 BC). This year 1453 BC is accepted as the date of the exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. It symbolizes now the ascent of man towards god. If we move up the descending passage to a distance of 1485 inches, we come to the opening of the grand gallery. This year, 33 AD (1453 BC — 1485 = 33 AD) is considered to be the date of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. If we move up the grand gallery to its end, we move 1881 inches. This year 1914 ad (33 AD — 1881 = 1914 AD), was the date of the beginning of the first world war. We can continue moving in the different passages and come up with different dates. Please refer to pyramid diagram above. Some of the pyramidologists attempted to predict future events, like the second coming of Jesus, the millennium, etc. But these events did not come to pass. It is possibly there is a chronology but the relationship is more complicated than the inch year theory.Why did the pyramidoloigst chose the inch as the standard unit of measurement? The pyramidologists believe the linear unit used in the design of the great pyramid is the sacred cubic of 25.0265 British inches. The sacred cubit divided into 25 equal parts results in the sacred inch (also called pyramid inch) which equals 1.00106 British inches. Thus the pyramid inch is very close to our standard geometric inch. The derivation of this unit comes from measurements in the high central section of the King’s chamber passage, called the "antechamber". It has been found that the length of the antechamber is equal to the diameter of a circle having a circumference which measures as many pyramid inches as there are days in the solar year,365.242. Pyramidologists also point out that there are scientific values incorporated in the great pyramid, many not calculated or known since modern times.For example, we mentioned that the unit of measurement in the pyramid is the pyramid inch. It turns out this is the basic unit of the measurement of the earth's polar radius. Remember there are 25 pyramid inches in a sacred cubit and there are exactly 10,000,000 sacred cubits from the center of the earth to its pole. Thus the earth's polar radius is 10,000,000 sacred cubits or 250,000,000 pyramid inches exactly.Pyramidologists also have discovered many other scientific values in the pyramid. They include the mean density of the earth, the weight of the earth, mean temperature of the earth, the values of the solar, sidereal, and anomalistic years, and many others.One of the most famous pyramidologists was Adam Rutherford who published a monumental 4 volume set on the subject. In our archives, we have a signed presentation copy from Dr. Rutherford to Dr. Louis Alvarez. Dr. Alvarez was awarded a Nobel Prize in physics, and developed the use of cosmic ray probes to find hidden chambers in the pyramids.

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On this basis it seems clear that the emasurements are worthless and the whole thing rests on arbitrary decisions designed to give the desired result.
______________________________________________________________________Quite the opposite is true.This is a statement that defies all the evidence presented. Your words best reflect a dogma driven religious fundie who ignores evidence that contradicts everything he has already spoken up for.No other measuring unit fits except the sacred inch. How the starting benchmark was scientifically determined, the measurements from the positions, the passageway symbolisms, the Isaiah text, all of this and whatever I have incidentially not mentioned is anything but arbitrary.You or I or anyone cannot change the fixed in stone interior of the Pyramid. This is incontrovertible proof demonstrating the claim of God's existence and control over history.The ONLY thing God does not know for certain is what an individual will do when faced with the freedom to trust Him or not. God is ready in either scenario to lift us up via the Resurrection/Well Shaft or we can remain on the broad road of destruction that leads to the pit/hell.

General ReplyAll the other pyramids that surround the Great Pyramid were built by man trying to imitate the Pyramid.The Great Pyramid originally contained no heathen writings of any kind.No mummies were ever found inside or treasures.The coffer in the King's Chamber was empty and is the only movable object in the Pyramid.The coffer had to of been placed in the King's Chamber prior to its enclosure because the passageways are too narrow. Nobody has any idea as to how this was accomplished.

More about the sacred inch from another website.http://www.prepare-ye-the-way.com/greatpyramid1.htmThe Great Pyramid was placed, not only at the exact center of the Nile delta quadrant, but, it is also placed at the exact center of all the land mass of the earth. That's right. Lines drawn north, south, east and west from the pyramid equally divide the earth's terrain. The longest land meridian, and the longest land parallel. The pyramid is aligned with True North, not magnetic north. Our closest achievement in that alignment is the Paris Observatory, it is six minutes of a degree off of true north. The pyramid is only three minutes off and that was proven to be the result of the land shifting and not by an error of the builders. True North is when you take the earth's axis and extend the north line out into space, it hits a point, usually a star, now it is Polaris.There is what is called the "Precession of the Equinoxes". A twenty four to twenty six thousand year cycle, when, as this earth is spinning like a top, there is a wobble, the true north point in space, rotates, completing a circle in the heavens. Thus every so often the North star changes. Embodied within this pyramid is that knowledge. We're just starting to figure these things out. How in the world did the builders of the pyramid know these things? They did. On one day, at the Vernal Equinox in the year 2141 BC, Alpha Draconus, the "Dragon Star" in the Draco constellation, was the pole star and it was so perfectly aligned with the descending passage, that if someone was at the bottom holding a mirror, that star would reflect that light. A seeming total impossibility, but they did it. The basic unit of measure within the pyramid is the "Sacred Inch". This same inch, in the sacred cubit, is also used in Noah's ark, the Ark of the Covenant, Solomon's Temple and in the New Jerusalem. This inch is only a half of a hair's breadth different than the English inch and the American inch.The source of this inch, is the axis of the earth. 1/500,000,000th part of the earth's axis is equal to the sacred inch. The Metric system uses the circumference of the earth from the pole to the equator as it's source. Since that distance varies at different places measured, the most logical and accurate system of measurement then would be the sacred inch system, because the earth's axis doesn't change.