PROOF OF GOD

"Theory" does not mean no evidence. "Hypothesis", in some cases, but not "theory". I haven't heard about the "Theory to Eliminate God No Matter What," could you provide a reference?

Thanks, I'll have to check out that Divine Neutral clause and see what I think.I realize I'm jumping in pretty late here. You state: It seems to me that the evidence you give (that really addresses the God-built-the-pyramid theory) all comes from a single book.The "facts" you bring to the discussion seem to contradict many other varied sources, according to others in the forum (I'm no pyramidologist...)Also, the basis of some of your statements seem quite subjective. I still haven't figured out the definitive basis of why one inch equals a year.Or why the metric system is full of shit. Perhaps God used the metric system - he could know the exact average diameter of the Earth even if puny human scientists couldn't. Why would God base a unit on the Earth to begin with when he has the whole universe to pull from? Why not base it on a constant unit, rather than a pole measurement, which could change with tectonic activity?Perhaps one micron should equal a year. Then the history would be stretched out over time. Or one inch equal one light year, describing the dimensions of celestial obects.If I measured the placement of pebbles in my driveway, and played with numbers long enough, I could align them to historical or Biblical events, or use them to describe the relationships of objects in the galaxy.That does not mean that God arranged the pebbles. Or did he?

See what you think of this:

Thanks - I look forward to your response, and the wiping of floors.I don't know the biases of various pyramidologists, but I'm not sure why one would manipulate findings - though I won't deny it's possible.It also seems that you are using "pro-supernaturalists" as sources - so be careful about pointing out bias.

Then why the haphazard construction on the outside?: If the Great Pyramid is a direct creation of God, I would think the outside would be a bit more smooth or orderly... Though I could see why humans would stack blocks in this way...Also, I hope you understand after looking at Asgara's linked maps, that it is a bit unbelievable that Giza is in the center of Egypt. Perhaps if you post your map showing this central location we would understand your point better.

Thanks for the insult.But, if presumably the only monument God decided to build on Earth himself, wouldn't he have protected it against Muslim mosque-builders? Either supernaturally or via impenetrable construction?Allowing the only monument made by His own hand to be stripped for building material for temples of an opposing religion? Now that's an insult...

Okay, sorry I misread you, and thanks for the "sorry", and sorry in return that you thought my post had insulting content.In reply, I think it is clear from human history that God has no intent to intervene to protect human life from war or disaster - whether to test humanity or allow free will, or however it can be justified.However, I'm still not quite clear why my "starting assumption and implication is insulting". I wasn't justifying anyone desecrating any altar/temple - in fact, I said it was insulting to strip an altar to one religion to build one for your own.My point was, if God decided to create one perfect physical altar with his own hand, why would it be so easily deconstructed by puny humans or even earthquakes? presumably God would have made it earthquake-proof? What was the definitive reason for God to build it? Perhaps that would help me understand your point...

WILLOWTREE - following our discussion about the stripping of the outer layer of the pyramid by humans:- A huge part of your argument is based on the exact height, in inches of the pyramid.
- Which height should be taken as the true height?
- The height before or after it was stripped by humans?

I'm still wondering if the exact 5449 sacred inches measurement was from when God built the pyramid, or after humans stripped it of its outer layer.Seems pretty important to your argument, since your entire Biblical link is the 5449 numerology of Isaiah 19. Off by even an inch, and...Can you adress the issue?

Why not? You give an empty assertion, not really much to go on... was that just a statement or do have documentation that the top of the pyramid remains unchanged?It would seem to me that mass removal of the outer layer of the pyramid could easily effect it's height, even if just an inch or so.But the bigger point is this:The entire Biblical link rests on the 5449 inch height - so the height of the pyramid would have to remain unchanged since its creation.This means no erosion, no settling, no earthquake damage, no human alteration to the top of the pyramid.Is this your contention?

WILLOWTREE - firstly, let me say that I'm confused as to how you are accusing others of making bare accusations, when you look at the ridiculously bare assertions you've made in your last two replies to me.A reminder - you haven't refuted the grafitti evidence I posted in message 120 of this thread, though you said you would.However, that is a small point compared to the height of pyramid issue, which provides your key biblical and geometric link. You've made another of those bare assertions that you yourself despise so much - here's what others have to say: It doesn't seem so straightforward as "That platform was never fitted with a capstone."I'm sure you'll easily refute this with evidence that a capstone never existed - but I'd actually see the evidence this time...I'm not trying to be nickpicky, but much of your argument rests on the exact height of the pyramid at the time it was built - it seems implausible that you can provide that height when you can't provide the landmarks of measurement ("From the base (whatever that is) to the summit platform.")

I stole this from jar's last reference (thanks jar!) as support of my earlier shrinking pyramid statements: I'll assume you understand the context in my argument given my last post.

Thanks, in the future please identify a link as being pertinent to the discussion - it was buried in a post about maps that did not mention graffiti once. Why would I follow it to find graffiti information?Also - the graffiti mentioned here appears to be separate from that I mentioned, I'll have to double check...I have to say, that your linked evidence states almost word-for-word what you have been arguing, in message #1 and since... It's as if both you and your independent source summarized from the same source - the same book, perhaps? Then it's not really additional evidence.A quote: Coincidence? We'll see...

Ronald Wilson Reagan - six letters in each name = 666!666 = Reagan was the antichrist!I'm of course being facetious, but this was an argument that was made in the '80's to claim that Reagan was the antichrist of Revelations.And a question for WILLOWTREE: This is even more a stretch than the rest of your "numerical relations".If God wanted 153 steps, why weren't they included? And how does the 153 if estimation come about?What about: 17 actual steps multiplied by 9 equals 153 fish, and 9 is the length of God's inseam in cubits?steps X inseam = fishI mentioned quite some time ago in this thread, that if I measured the exact positions of the pebbles in my driveway, and played with numbers long enough, I could correlate their position to biblical events.Most of your listing obsesses over "fives" - wouldn't another, simpler hypothesis be that Egyptians liked to build in fives, or use measurements or math or architecture based on a system of fives? Was "five" somehow sacred to the Egyptians? Are your measurements regarding these "fives" optically-exact?Interestingly, most of your examples are also divisible by 25. Why 5 and not 25? Surely there were 25 "somethings" mentioned at some point in the bible...The truth is, if the measurements more closely resembled 4,6,7,etc., you could simply match it to another biblical reference.You haven't even addressed the height of the pyramid yet, which your biblical link is based upon. Until you do that, I hope you'll understand why I don't believe more of your measurements and math tricks...

Just out of curiousity, WILLOWTREE,Did the British Inch exist when the pyramid was built?