The End of Life

I believe the only reason we live is simply because Earth is suitable for life. The purpose of life = to reproduce. However, now that humans can manipulate their environment, there is more meaning to life other than reproduction (as it is for every other animal), such as studying our universe and living life to its fullest.

I'm not a nihilist. I merely think that we are as the scientific community says an evolved animal with the ability to think. I think that the chances of you being a random occurence by now are probably much higher than abiogenesis as i have read several posts and had several replies of yours that all seem to fit. Im not a statistician and wouldnt have the first clue on if it would even be possible to work all this out.Why would your post become more likely to be caused through chance if abiogenesis occured? Unless of course you are considering yourself to be purely a chanced object and hence everything you do is merely chance also (in which case i suppose that your post and every other one owes its origins to chance).As far as the beginning of the universe or even abiogenesis goes i dont see why it is any more likely that there is a being that is out of time and has the power to create. In fact i would say that that is less likely but still.Just because there is no reason doesnt mean things dont occur. Why does lightning occur? because reactions in the atmosphere (as far as i know), these reactions arent planned by anything, so whats the point of the lightning, it still happens though. Same with us i reckon. Like i said the big bang is the main nothingness problem, and i dont know enough on the theories to really back up my point on it, but once thats there things happen because they follow the laws of the universe (dont want to use newton laws etc, because they are theories) and these laws allow things to interact and happen etc like star formation and planet formation etc we get seas of molecules in our little planet, some of these replicate, because they replicate they become more numerous, those that get better at replicating become more numerous still etc etc. It sorta makes sense to me how all this could get everything going and keep it going. I just dont feel that placing a supernatural being in front of anything be it big bang, abiogenesis, etc etc makes it more understandable, because im always left asking the question so where did that thing come from? I know the classic answer is that its always been, but dont you think that a concious entity with no substance that exists outside of time and space is also a little far fetched?Unseul

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Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life....Do unto others before they do unto you.

Reasoning is the 'why' factor in the human genome. A pig does not know WHY it wants to get out, but it knows it wants to get out. The same principle applies to every other animal.By the way, a soul is not a religious or spiritual implication. It is simply the factor that determines our actions (why humans think; why dogs bark, etc.). You are right about the potential; I'll give you that.As you may realize, the bigger 'why' is the only 'why' of any great importance. We can eat, drink, and have sex everyday; it won't keep us from succumbing to death. There is something bigger than life.

When delta s = 0 the body begins to decay and decompose because there is no longer a mechanism to sustain the organism. The cells fail to produce ATP from glucose and the body no longer produce energy. The matter that makes up ones body is recycled.

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

I knew that. I'm talking about the non-corporeal implications of death. I want to know what YOU think about why we're on earth in the first place, and I will give you my opinion. Sorry if I was crude.

Im guessing he's thinking along similar lines to myself, there arent any. Sorry if im wrong in this assumption mr golden ratio.Unseul

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Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life....Do unto others before they do unto you.

All I was saying was that I knew that we decompose into various elements. That's a widely known fact.

Why? There is no answer to that question. Since the universe does in fact exist the only thing one can assume is that there is either a reason or there is not one. Some people need a external reason to give meaning to they're existance. Some people are content to marvel and enjoy life because they have life and not invent 'reasons'. IMO there is no reason. Things are the way there are because they could not be otherwise. If they were otherwise we would not be having this discussion.

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

If there is no reason to anything, then why does it exist? A simple, logical question.

Hello, NewGuy. Interesting topic. About time someone opened a thread on it.Can the bum on the street be doing better? I honestly don't know. I don't know her circumstances. I don't know her history. Maybe she has a drug or alcohol addiction. Very hard to live a stable life under those conditions - hard to keep a job, keep a family, can easily drive away friends. And once addicted, it can be very, very hard to get clean again.I live in a city, and in an area in that city, with a lot of homeless folk. Sure, I suspect that a few, if they would get their acts together, can do better. But most of the ones I see every day, and speak to every day, are a bit...off. Some just have personality quirks that I can see leading to losing a job or a spouse very quickly, and I can see how, with no psychotherapeutic resources available, that person simply cannot control their behavior. And some are outright nuts. I have no idea whether these particular illnesses are the result of biology, or their upbringing, but even in the latter case the damage has been done, and I don't think they have the luxury of controlling these aspects of their behavior.As far as purpose - as I said I do not believe in an objective, universally determined purpose to life. Life just is. You just are. I just am. It is up to each of us to determine what the purpose to life is. I recognize that some are unable to do so, or somehow have fell into some sort of hideous ideology that gives a rather demeaning, unpleasant meaning to their lives. Some people are in physical circumstances (like the homeless folk) where there is no intelligible meaning to their lives beyond just eking out their existence for that day. That is sad. But these are social/psychological problems, the solution to which may be beyond what you want to discuss here.Why do I live? I live to enjoy the company of my friends. Maybe enjoy a good beer once in a while. Watch a movie. Look at some kid fascinated by some colorful toy. Help people if I can. Keep from hurting others. But this is meaning that I put into life. I recognize it. Others may have other priorities - if it makes them happy, great! Others may find meaning in things that pose a threat to me and/or others. So I and others will, if necessary, work together to stop her. Again, meaning in helping others.I'm not sure if I am answering your questions. If not, I assure you I am not being deliberately difficult.

Unseul, I am christian, why would I? It's no more silly than our existence in time/space. Lol, what's time and space anyway? Why do I need time/space to exist? Why can't everything happen at once, with not light (sun) and no space for it to happen? Afterall, there's no reason for time and space,.....is there? That's your belief then - fair enough, I won't keep you from it. However, the why questions are answered far better when God is involved. Basically, the "how" can only say so much, and doesn't look too impressive if it can only suggest multiple universes all going "bang" for no reason from the nothingness, which enables no thing, because there is no thing there.

You live for the company of friends? And watching baba's enjoy colourful toys? Ahaha. Well, is that it though? Isn't there another reason? Is that all you were made for? Why did you come into existence then if these reasons you made yourself? Before you existed, you didn't make any reasons, why did you come about? Why did anything come about if there is complete nothingness?

Yeah i thought u might not consider it far fetched .You are right, there is no reason for any of it, however its here.I know you wont try and change my beliefs, and i hope you dont feel that i am trying to change yours. The why questions are always going to be answered better with God, because the answer for those questions for me is pretty much "why not", or "just chance". I dont really require the why, just the how.I'm sure i have read articles about particles (positive and negative) appearing seperating, then rejoining reverting back to the nothingness from which they came. Unfortunatly i havent got a clue on the specifics which makes searches on any database a lot harder.Do you a deal, when one of us dies if im right then it makes no odds, but if your right search me out, or ill search u out, and u can tell me "I told you so." Unseul

Ahahahaha! I'll search you out, with a baseball bat! "Where's that Bas**** Unseul, who told me I meant nothing!" I guess I still win if I'm wrong, cos we won't exist, then you won't be able to beat me up. Lol. You'd be surprised just how many people are not interested in the why. But atleast you can admitt that it is answered better with God. The bible for example, seems to concentrate on telling us why, and science, the how.As for particles, why do they do that? They've no reason to?

Yep your in a win win situation, which is why i envy people with faith.I am fascinated with the various parts of the whys, which is why i did philosophy as my humanties (forced to do some arty subject in our science degrees). I'd be daft to say that the why isnt better answered with some divine being, i mean that gives it meaning, whereas my way is a lot more, sort of, useless. But still its what i believe.Ah the wonders of the Strong and Weakelectromagnetic forces. When physicists have solved all these problems what shall we do with them?You do mean something, but only in terms of what other people give you. For instance for me your someone to debate with, which is always fun. Happiness is just about all im after in this life, mainly cos i happen to enjoy that particular balance of chemicals in my brain Unseul

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Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life....Do unto others before they do unto you.