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You are saying that in the spirit world there was no "space" or "time"

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Space? I didn't mention that. God talks about His city and gives us measurements, 1500 miles long high and wide, so this would seem to take space. Time? I said Spirits are not limited by it, yet in a new world coming there is still sunrise sunset. But we'll have light from another source, and heat, and live forever, so no real time like we know it now, at least.

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So there is still a prolonged period of black out.

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I answered this in a post just a few minutes ago, about how it was combined.

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there is going to be a time where we run out of "burst" that were traveling in the spritual world and are left with blackness.

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Who says spiritual light bursts?

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It may seem blasphemous to you, but scientific (or pychological, to be precise) theories have been formulated to explain love as a by-product of environmental stimulus/biological responses associations and biochemical (hormonal) factors.

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Hmm, thought so. So animals can't feel love I guess? Tell me, did you hate your father, and want to do your mother? Just lay down on the couch and tell me all about it. I'm listening, really. ha.

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Thoughts? If you define thoughts as changes in neural activities that lead to changes in behaviours, then there is ample evidence to suggest the existence of thoughts.

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No I don't define them that way, really, but thanks for asking. At least you acknowledge some form of thoughts.

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so we expect to find physical evidence in support for its existence.

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And the 'physical evidence' of my thoughts, and everyone in the world's thoughts, does it all beep the same on your machine?

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Similarly, which of the following is evil: a nuclear warhead, or the politician who exploded it over an enemy city, killing millions?

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There are degrees of good and evil. God defines evil pretty good, but most people on earth have an inner basic feeling of good and evil we are equipped with as well, in case we haven't read the bible. Cluster bombs, radiation weapons, nuclear weapons designed to mass murder man and the like are evil in themselves I'd say. The real evil was yeilding to the devil, and hellish inspiration that produced these things. Likewise, in yielding to dark forces to use them, same thing, you just have to know who the enemy of man and our soul is. But this we can't discuss, as we are not of the same belief, so I'll agree to disagee on this.

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Great. So you don't even know what circular reasoning is. *sigh* I rest my case.

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God is the center, and when man gets far away, I'd say, from Him, he becomes eccentric, or off center! This is why modern psychciatry is so off center. Is it any wonder so many from that proffesion are plain nuts?

6000, give or take a few hundred

"What if God tells you to do so?" He won't, He's not like that, What weapons did Jesus tell us to destroy everyone with? None, He healed and loved. WJ caught us, so I'll have to drop it. (so I won't get into lovafying the old testament, which is finished, over, completed)

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So "physical" light was riding on the coattails of "spiritual" light? So "physical" light was travelling faster than 300,000 km/s at that time? How fast roughly?

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By coattails, I think of it as in some way the two were one. Now when they seperated, all we had was the one. Was it in the same form as it was when merged? Thinking about it, it would seem probably not. Because of the limitations of the physical. So the P, while in a merged state must have had different properties, beyond P.

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Can we say that some thousands of years ago one photon was emitted by a star and it travelled to the earth many times faster than c and the next photon from the same star an instant later, after the separation, started on its journey to earth at the current rate of c?

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Isn't a photon a property of P? So I don't think P can travel faster than it's limitations. While it was meged with S, somehow, it did not have the same properties. For all I know, maybe P is more or less a leftover that took up the space? (like filled the vacuum) (came to be as the only thing that could exist here instead or in place of)

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light occur instantaneously and simultaneously throughout the universe?

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I don't know. If we look back at creation, it took a week, so God doesn't have to do everything presto. If you have a grasp of why it either could not have, or must have, or something, do tell! After all, we're only talking about a model here that isn't gospel.

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The fad of Freudian psychoanalysis has passed and your current views on Psychology is approximately 60 years out of date.

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An attempt at a little humor was lost on you there.

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And in case you're interested, we have no idea if animals feel love

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Who is "we".

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Please put some meat (re: research) into your argument in subsequent posts please.

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Wasn't Nietze a respected man by the shrink types? Maybe I should have taken some meat, put it on a stick, and feed it to the poor demented guy in the last part of his life, when, I read, he was crawling around on all fours, even barking like a dog!

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So how do YOU define thoughts?

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I wasn't actually trying to make a federal case out of that, I broght it up, like love, to try to find a few examples of things you can't really see, or touch, that you might believe in. All with the point of comparing it to spiritual things, you also can't really see most of the time.

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Evidence for their existence? Yes

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OK good enough, you say there is evidence, good enough for me. I actaully didn't need any, as I have lots of thoughts, as most people I ever met do!

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And should a nuclear warhead be used to pulverise an approaching asteroid,

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They were not thinking of asteroids when they were developed! They were designed to kill men en masse.

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Dark forces? Hellish inspiration?

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I vote yes!

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Where DID all this wild speculations come from?

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Gee doc, I used to hate my father about 60 years ago!

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Not only is this a raving pointless non-sequitur, but you've insulted a medical/scientific profession

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And I didn't know that? Those Mkultra lobotomy types give me the creeps.

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How IS porn scientific?

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Huh? Cut the dirty questions already! You must have been on a misunderstanding binge again!

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How has the bible explained the process (that is, the "how") of creation via Genesis?

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promise not to slink away, and I tell you.
It tells us how long exactly it took. It tells us what He did each day. He tells us why. He tells us where it ends. Now as far as every detail how He did it, we weren't, and maybe even aren't yet ready to understand, or He might tell us. Hey, maybe He is trying, but people don't listen?

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So unless the universe is greater than 1 billion years old, none of the light from that star will have reached the Earth yet.

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Why would not the light keep reaching right from when our light became all there was coming?

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If your theory were true we would have had a totally bright sky before seperation (light from all stars hitting us immediately) and a totally black sky immediately after seperation.

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Assuming what? How do you know a spiritual and physical merged world would be "all light"? It just would not be slow like something physical. As far as this all dark thing, I thought I touched on that already?

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The only stars we would see in the sky today would be those within 6000 light years of the Earth.

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Sorry, you'll have to read what I answered on this already. Was it post 88? This isn't even warm.

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Every day, new stars would pop into the sky as the old slow light finally got to us.

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Stars are being 'born' aren't they? This old slow light thing, lets try to make it clear, was getting to us pretty weel from or near the getgo of the seperation. And it keeps getting to us, in a kind of slowed down time show of things cosmic. If you really can't get it, I'll go over it real slow, but I do think it was covered, these things you speak of.

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Umm. no there is not. You are making stuff up. Period.

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You are presuming this. Period.

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Umm no that is your opinion nothing more, and it is my opinion that there is no such thing.

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Fair enough, you may be an unbeliever. But it is much more than my opinion. It is the finger of God that carved some of it in stone, spoke other parts, and made sure He got it all in a book. I simply chose to be on His side of the issue.

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bullshit to support your assertions I do not think your dualist reality is any more believable than ...well the bible.

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OK so now, you are saying the bible is like bs. fine.

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To say it is 'totally unfounded biblically' is a lie.
" Really? show me the source evidence to support your claims "

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Ha, now you want me to quote you chapter and verse of it!!! Yeah right, like that would be real worthwhile!

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How can you say the Spiritual is a fact? Are you prepared to show evidence

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What evidence do you want, you can't see smell, touch, or measure it with physical instruments or eyes. You say the bible is bs, so that won't count. Miracles? Fulfilled prophesy? Billions of witness who would say there is a spiritual all through history? No, you seem to have your mind made up, and who am I to confuse you with the facts?

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But I will do the Christian thing and forgive you your trespasses.

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Good. That is the Christian thing.

So you sound like you have something, but just won't say. Fine. I guess since I didn't step into your loaded questions the right way, you ran out of steam for now? Almost had me nervous there with all the ballyho leading up to what I thought may be some real good point. Much ado about nothing, alas.

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So "physical" light was travelling faster than 300,000 km/s at that time? How fast roughly?

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No, Merged light, Spiritual lifgt was faster.

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Can we say that some thousands of years ago one photon was emitted by a star and it travelled to the earth many times faster than c

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No. no no.

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and the next photon from the same star an instant later, after the separation,started on its journey to earth at the current rate of c?

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No.

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Did all the P light travelling on the coattails of S light suddenly slow down to c when the separation occurred?

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I thought I already touched on how it was not really so much slowing down, as being left in it's place. Almost like a chemical change, where a reation happens, and we are left with a different thing than before.
If someone died, and was in heaven, and lying on the grass, say, having a lamb lick his face, then he suddenly was sent back to earth, would we expect him to have a wet face? If the spirit light was taken away, would we expect the P to be anything else but P? So the question, it seems to me, is how could S pssibly leave in it's path, or place, P? P can't speed up, or maybe even slow down (although they slowed it down in a lab)- so how could S have left it? How could P be all we have, when S is out of the picture? What process could do this? Perhaps if we understood S we may have a clue! As it is, it seems we are sort of dimension challenged, to where all we can see is our own.

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Fred (the Spiritual photon) is created and in zero seconds is at earth.

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Thats a little like saying, OK so a bird flaps his wings, and flys 100 miles, and an angel flaps his, and flies 100 miles. Not really comparible the spirit, and physical. Photon is our light, the S light, which we cannot even see with our eyes, or instruments, does not use photons as such apparently.

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During that billion years, no light from the star will reach the earth.

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Your George came into being, in this case as a light that spanned the billion light years. The difference is, the poor guy is slow as molasses. The interesting thing about it is that the light we see (P) would still appear to have travelled a long way, by it's spectrum etc. Because that is where it comes from, but it has very much changed form.

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If your theory were true, we would see no stars that were more than 6000 light years away.

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No, not at all, this is the point, for the last several thousand years it has just been our slow P light. But we still see beyond that, because the S light blazed the trail so to speak. But in seperation the whole trail was turned into a P trail

So, nice build up. Waiting for the evidence now. You have some type of good reason S could not have left us with P?

We assume here then that S has photons? Does the light at the end of the tunnel have photons, that dying people see? If so how come we can't measure them? How come we can't see God? -or, unless they manifest, almost any spirit beings?

Hmm, I doubt you are serious. I suppose by that calculation, Jesus lived a hec of a lot of days on earth!