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PaulK
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Message 329 of 860 (123605)
07-10-2004 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 323 by Lysimachus
07-10-2004 11:02 AM


Re: Lysimachus
You really are underestimating the problems with your rewrite of the chronology. And simply pointing to the limits of our knowledge is no help.
There is significant evidence against it - and on many points you have no real evidence FOR your chronology. To add to the problems you mention, there is evidence that Tuthmosis I succeeded Amenhotep I. There is no evidence to suggest that the 18th Dynasty suddenly changed the rules surrounding Pharoah's names - which is absolutely required by Wyatt's chronology. Why have Amenhotep I, Thutmosis II and Hatshepsut all ruling simultaneously ? What evidence is there for that ?

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Message 330 of 860 (123612)
07-10-2004 1:26 PM
Reply to: Message 329 by PaulK
07-10-2004 12:46 PM


Re: Lysimachus
Yep, probably most of these fellows were considered to be "mad", not telling the truth, or perhaps, if they did believe them, did not want to accept them because it would require humiliation in changing their belief structure, and they were not about to spread this news to all the world and different people throughout the various civilizations, for fear that could cause anarchy against the instilled belief systems.
On top of this, knowing the fact that the Egyptians climbed back to power rather quickly would make it easy for them to conceal such a catastrophic event. You must remember, Egypt was across miles and miles of desert--very distant from the conglomerated caananite kingdoms of the east and north.
PaulK, quit wasting your time with playing psychology on me. You arn't about to change my mind, because you keep insisting that I provide no evidence over and over and the stating of it verses the fact contrast signficantly in my perspective. I provided to you evidence that "could" suggest a change of power. Go read the part were Moller cleary shows how right after Amenhotep III, a consdiderable amount of controversial characthers immediately come on the scene, Amenhotep IV, Semenkhkare (of who according to Egyptologists is the most controversial character, and number of hypothesis exist about his position), Tutankhuman (of which obviously there is no proof he was even Pharaoh, but coregent with his father, and buried in his father's grave...after he dies letters stating that there are no officials in the kingdom to marry, etc.), Ay, an old army officer who takes the throne, and Horemheb, another non-royal family throne ascending character, ...all of which were characters that never experienced the glory Egypt once had under the Pharaohs under Amenhotep III and back. There are clear signs of Egyptian "weakness" starting after Amenhotep III, and we believe this "weakness" is associated and most likely in some way related to the Exodus event.
That is what I believe, and you arn't going to change my mind. I could go on an don replying to you, but what good is it going to do? You guys just won't give up, and you keep repeating the same old stuff over and over and over again, and I'm sick and tired of it. It is obvious that you guys are dead set against the idea of an Exodus ever happening, regardless of all the archeological evidence. All you can basically do is say "the dating doesn't match, so I'm against it". I get tempted to lose respect for people who think in this nature, because they revolve their lives around "the dating doesn't add up", instead of asking themselves "perhaps if this archeological evidence suggests otherwise, could it be that the dating is off?"...but NOOOO, I guarantee you that getting you people to things through a little more maturely like that isn't going to happen.
Hopefully there are some honest passerby folk who read this stuff and stimulates them to rethink things through more carefully and not just buy what "tradition" has been handing down through the centuries.

~Lysimachus

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Message 331 of 860 (123636)
07-10-2004 3:10 PM
Reply to: Message 330 by Lysimachus
07-10-2004 1:26 PM


Re: Lysimachus
Sure I know that you are too dedicated to the worship of Wyatt to care about the truth. You could have checked these things on your own and seen that Wyatt's chronology was hopeless.
But it is for the sake of the passers-by that I expose the lack of evidence and the faulty reasoning underlying your claims. So we get a controversial character on the throne ? It happens. It doesn't need a major disaster. But that's all the evidence of "disaster" that you have.

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Lysimachus
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Message 332 of 860 (123737)
07-11-2004 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 331 by PaulK
07-10-2004 3:10 PM


Re: Lysimachus
WoW, I just finished watching another video documentary on the journey's of Bob Cornuke, Larry Williams, and Jim and Penny Caldwell to Mt. Sinai. Word's can't express the inspiration that filled the air, it was aww-inspiring at it's fullest.
I am now more convinced than ever that Mt. Sinai (Jebel Al Lawz) was truly the mountain of God. The video did an incredible job and documenting all the locations described in the Bible...
1.the split rock (with IMMENSE EVIDENCE of a MASSIVE GUSH of water EROSION, by the direction and way the rocks flake and lay between the split, the RIVER BED that filled up from the water that came from the split rock, the Bitter Springs (they are actually bitter),
2. the bitter lakes,
3. the bitter springs of Marah,
4. the 70 palm trees and 12 Springs of Elim (today there are 300 palm trees),
5. the vast plain of which the Israelites encamped,
6. the 12 bulls inscribed on a massive alter at the foot of the mountain,
7. Elijah's cave! The Bible
8. the caves of Moses at the springs,
9. the charred peak and melted rock (when one charred rock is broken, it is regular light rock color in the inside, but charrted on the outside....rock of that of obsidian, and NO volcanic activity. All lab tests proved against it being volcanic)
10. the boundary markers around the mountain! markers to keep the Israelites from touching the mountain, to avoid death.
11. the golden calf alter,
12. Moses' Alter and 12 Pillars!
13. the Cave of Elijah! (Jebel Al Lawz has ONE cave on it. Jim Caldwell went into this cave, and it is perfect to lay down in, and deep enough to dwell in. Jebel Musa has no cave on it whatsoever.) Just mindblowing...exactly as scripture tells us...
14. the quail birds that continually fly in the area (bible says flocks of quail)
15. Hebrew iscriptions in stone of foot prints as indicated by God's promise that the Israelites would inhabit the land of which the place their feet upon...
After view all the overwhelming, aww inspring evidence, you wonder to yourself and ask, "how can one not believe?". That is a question I have been asking myself for a long time, and finally think I found the answer:
Instead of "the mystery of Godliness", the answer to the above question would probably be:
"the mystery of ungodliness".
For those of you who are interested in knowing that there truly was a God who lead the Israelites out of Israel, please take advantage of these wonderful stories and adventures these web pages have to offer. Only those who have a strong living connection with God can really appreciate them:
http://www.jimandpenny.com/en/overview.htm
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On the negative note, I feel sad that these folks did not give the credit to Wyatt like they did. But on the positive note, I am overjoyed that they were able to take his work to the next level and actually video tape, photograph, and document these wonderful historic sites of which match the biblical description to an exact.
P.S. And then the fact knowing that the crossing site would be to the north west of Sinai at Aqaba just made so much sense...like Cornuke says..."it's like a trail of bread crumbs".

~Lysimachus

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Message 333 of 860 (123740)
07-11-2004 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 332 by Lysimachus
07-11-2004 11:43 AM


Re: Lysimachus
Mount Sinai?
The peak showing Split Rock and river bed? Is this the plain they gathered on?
Another view of Split Rock?
More signs of rushing water (or something)?
Sorry, but the geological features they show are not unusual at all. They are very common and certianly do not support any claims of water gushing or miraculous springs.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Lysimachus
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Message 334 of 860 (123750)
07-11-2004 2:33 PM
Reply to: Message 333 by jar
07-11-2004 12:26 PM


Re: Lysimachus
And I'm sorry, but none of those geological features are a particle of resemblance to what I'm referring to.
You know what, until you come back and tell me that you've watched the videos I've mentioned with a fine tooth comb, then I can take you seriously. Otherwise, you're a big skeptic that has no merit whatsoever on the documentary and archeological world.
Just wait till you hear some of the latest knews that is going on...news that involves various television channels, documentaries. things are about to come to a head as far as a smoking gun is concerned, and the world will see finally...as we draw closer into the 21st century, that the evolution which scholars have been pressing on the world is of not much weight in comparison to what is coming.
things will be revealed like never before...including giants from the post Antediluvian world...
I CAN'T WAIT FOLKS.....GOD IS SO WONDERFUL!

~Lysimachus

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Message 335 of 860 (123751)
07-11-2004 2:35 PM
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07-11-2004 2:33 PM


Re: Lysimachus
wOW...the skeptic world that believes "Neanderthal" was another race...just might be in for a big surprise...
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~Lysimachus

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Lysimachus
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Message 336 of 860 (123753)
07-11-2004 2:43 PM
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07-11-2004 2:35 PM


Re: Lysimachus
Jar, those rock formations mean nothing. Reason being, the locations don't meet the biblical geography. Additionally, are their Israelite inscriptions of bulls? Have the rocks been tested? Is the top of the mountain charred black with a perfect line-- distinguishing a clear border? One one side of the line the rocks are completely charred black all the way up, and then the other side of the line, the rocks are of normal color all the way down. Are their alters around the mountain? Is there one cave as the Bible describes as "Elijah's cave"? Is it geographically located in Midian?
You're going to keep vainlessly trying to disprove these archeological sites that God has preserved for the end of times, and skeptic work isn't going to cut it when it comes to honest people. Honest seekers for truth will instantly see through these things and that they truly reveal that the events described in the Bible are truly authentic and really did happen. God preserved these sites so that the world may know that there truly were miracles, and knowing that there had to be a miracle leaves no other conclusion but that there must be an all wonderful, powerful loving God!
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Message 337 of 860 (123754)
07-11-2004 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 336 by Lysimachus
07-11-2004 2:43 PM


Re: Lysimachus
Sorry Charlie.
You're free to believe anything you want.
But so far, you have not shown any convincing evidence, period. I can see no reason to even waste time looking at a video that was made by anyone who thinks the split rock is evidence of anything except normal erosion just like similar formations all over the world.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 338 of 860 (123755)
07-11-2004 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 337 by jar
07-11-2004 2:47 PM


Re: Lysimachus
To you, it's not convincing evidence, and it most likely never will be. To me, and other honest seekers, it is convincing evidence. As we are told from inspired writings, "if an angel were to come down from heaven in the site of unbelievers, they still would not believe".

~Lysimachus

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Message 339 of 860 (123757)
07-11-2004 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 338 by Lysimachus
07-11-2004 2:51 PM


Re: Lysimachus
So now, in addition to rewriting Egyptian history, and archeology to fit your assertions, you want to rewrite Geology so that perfectly normal examples of erosion that can be found in every place on the earth take on special meaning when you wish?
That hardly seems honest.
How is the split stone shown in your post any different than any of the tens of thousands of other such examples found all over the world? What evidence is there that it was formed in any manner except the same old erosion that formed all of the others?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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PaulK
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Message 340 of 860 (123761)
07-11-2004 3:17 PM
Reply to: Message 335 by Lysimachus
07-11-2004 2:35 PM


Neandertals ?
If you rally think that there is some significant evidence about Neandertals about to come to light then start a new thread to discuss it.
But I think that you are just setting yourself up for another embarrassment.

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Lysimachus
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Message 341 of 860 (123765)
07-11-2004 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 340 by PaulK
07-11-2004 3:17 PM


Re: Neandertals ?
Jar, once again, you're failing to see the "big picture". Wow, I can't believe how hard it is to get through.
Of course there are signs of water erosion all over the world! DuH! But what is your point??? Our point is that the split rock is EXACTLY found where it is supposed to be, and that although there are signs of water erosion elsewhere, the particular spot right between the two split rocks show signs of water erosion as if the water BLASTED upward from a geyser...the water erosion between the rocks is of such clear distinction, and is eroded much stronger right between the rocks than the surrounding area. They scientifically explain the distinction in the Video: Mountain of Fire: The Search for the True Mount Sinai
You can purchase it here, or many other places on the net:
Christian Cinema
The video will provide some very good insight. This stuff wasn't just showed on some local television station. TLC, Discovery, and channels alike played this stuff.
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~Lysimachus

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jar
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Message 342 of 860 (123767)
07-11-2004 4:22 PM
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07-11-2004 3:44 PM


Re: Neandertals ?
Well, let's look at some of this so called evidence.
Here is one of the sites hawking the book and video.
Mt. Sinai Found
It has some pictures of the "Calfs". And they do not look anything like a calf or a bull. They look more like an Ibex or other member of the antelope family.
The pile of rock looks like, well, a pile of rock.
The split stone is just normal erosion just like you find everywhere in the world. And there is NO sign of water gushing up. In fact, there are signs that water NEVER gushed up. Just look at the overhanging parts that would have been washed away if water had gushed up.
The broken column looks like a rock. That's all. a rock.
The plain is a plain. Big deal. Often found at the base of hills.
Sorry, of the stuff you presented as evidence this is about as weak as it gets.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 343 of 860 (123870)
07-12-2004 1:55 AM
Reply to: Message 333 by jar
07-11-2004 12:26 PM


Re: Lysimachus
Nice scenery, Jar. Thanks, but that's all you have........like Lys says, nothing else, and most of all no chariot wheels in a sea/gulf to begin with. You're loosing, Jar, and now and your strawmen are whistlin in the wind.

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