NosyNed writes:
yxifix, understands that the evolutionary process can change and add to the information already in a genome. Therefore he is completely off topic as far as "proof against evolution" goes.
I'm not saying that changing or creating information from another information is a proof.
However, what he is asking is an abiogenesis question. Given that there is "information" (which hasn't been defined here yet) in the genome how did it get there in the first place?
you can call it abiogenesis or whatever else, BUT I'm saying the information is a part of life, it's the beginning of life so that's the most important thing theory of evolution must start with... is it correct ? Is information needed to start whatever processes ? If it is so, how come you can say it's not part of theory of evolution ? Please answer straight to these questions.
I think yxifix's problem is in the details of what information is. A short strand of RNA has information in it (in the Shannon sense). In fact a two nucliotide sequence has "information". Since it is possible for those to arise by chance this level of information is not so hard to explain.
Well, I think your problem is in the details of what information is. Tell me about those 2 nucliotide sequences... where that "information" (what you are talking about) came from? Or it
just was? Or is it just fantasy and there is not real "information" ? Please answer to these questions clearly.
If an "information" can arise
itself ....than also a house full of nice furniture can arise itself according to this theory, NosyNed.
What is harder and is still an open question is how can enough "information" be gathered up to allow for self replication to begin. That seems to not be likely enough to have occured by chance.
No, that's not right The open question is not how can enough "information" be gathered, but how that "information" was created. That's the open question. I would like to read the answer.
Than we can carry on what is likely to have occured by chance.
However, since it is not an evolutionary question perhaps it should be taken to another thread.
Well,
this is evolutionary question. (read 2nd answer in this post).
without information is not life... life must begin somewhere and that "somewhere" is information itself. I am sure you agree.
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