PROOF against evolution

Still with the totally unsupported opinions.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Generally, when someone makes and assertion, they are expected to be able to defend that position, to give a reasonable explanation of why they beleve the assertion might be correct. But a simple assertion like the Universe is not 13+ Billion Years old must be supported.So far, you have made nothing except unsupported assertions. I doubt you will find many people here that will even bother trying to respond to unsupported assertions.I am actually trying to help you. Please, if you want anyone to take you seriously, then pick one subject, give your resoning for supporting it and we can discuss it.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

then please try to defend your position.The topic of this thread is PROOF against evolution.If you have some proof, pick one example that you believe you can support with evidence and present it.So far, you have presented nothing except assertions. That is not very convincing.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Others have already shown you that the second law of thermodynamics does not invalidate Evolution.But even more importantly, you seem to missunderstand some of the basics of the TOE.You state... Unfortunately, that is not at all what Evolution says. Evolution does not say that something gets better. All Evolution says is that a pobulation survives. Not better or worse, but live or die.The great strength of the TOE is that it has been borne out by so many observations. It is not based on some unsupported belief system, but rather a very deep column of evidence grom every single field of research.There is the fossil record. And it shows a long, long line of creatures gradually changing over time.Then there is genetics. There, what we see is a basic relation, where all living things show common ancestry. Now, with the additional insight provided by DNA, we can even document just how closely different critters are related, that modern humans, chimps, bonobos and Neanderthal are more closely related than any of them are to a Gorilla.There is geology. Every place we look we find similar critters in similar locations.And there is dating. As we date the various critters we find it matches very closely with all of the other methods.Frankly, the TOE is about as well supported as any scientific theory ever put forward and perhaps even better that many. On the otherhand, so far No One has been able to put forward any convincing evidence that it is not true.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay. I will reply because this is a resonse to me even though I realize it is totally futile.You are once again simply making assertions with absolutely no evidence or reasoning.If you have anything worthwhile to add to the discussion, please select ONE thing that you think might be proof against evolution and supply your reasoning and evidence.So far you have nothing.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

That is a great question and even though it is off topic, maybe the moderators will let us go into it here or direct you to a thread on Dates and Dating.There are a variety of ways that things are dated. If it's okay I'll start with some of the older methods and maybe others will contribute information on some of the different methods used to crossreference and verify the dates.Let me begin with position. Would you agree that in a relatively undisturbed site, something must be younger than what is above it?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay Boss. I kinda suspected as much. And quite frankly, unless there is some committment to actually follow through such a thread without all the assertion and nonsense coming in, I think it would be pretty fruitless.Do you think it would be worthwhile to open a series of threads, one on each dating method that would show each as independant as they are in reality? If so, I would be willing to begin with one on the placement method. Mayhaps you could find someone to ride herd on one based on radiometric data, another on genetics, etc? Finally if someone could be found so foolish as to raise their hand, they could tie all the different methods together.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Actually, there have been a couple times when humans did almost dissappear. For example, there is a bottleneck that seems to have happened about 70,000 years ago where the total world population dropped down to perhaps as low as 10,000 individuals.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Actually, 70,000 years ago is pretty far along the timeline that modern homosapiens has been around, and almost yesterday when you look at the time there has been living things, even primates, on the earth.When you look at the evidence for life that was already pretty evolved and find that it was here about 3 billion years ago, 70,000 years is literally yesterday.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay, that will do as a start.But let's refine that slightly. Modern humans, some subset of homosapiens probably first showed up around 150,000 years ago.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Okay, wandering off topic again when you bring up the great wetting that never happened, so if you want to discuss that myth, let's take it over to the right section.The problem with your population calculations is twofold.First, you cannot simply take modern growth rates and run. In the past, conditions were quite different. It has only been in my lifetime that the number one cause of death among women became something other than childbirth. And it has only been slightly over 50 that there have been any antibiotics.Second, we have evidence from the fossil record that things really were around long before your 6000 year figure. And when we look at the fossil record we find that there is a real seperation between when certain types of things lived. We do not find people and dinosaurs living at the same time. We do not find grass growing until pretty recently, but we do find many other types of plants, plants that do not live today. We find a long lineage of primates that EVOLVED into seperate species.We tend to forget that it is only recently that the idea of living a long life has become the norm and not the exception. Through most of history, that was simply not the case.But NOTHING in your post has anything to do with Evolution.I showed you examples of Evolution that are going on right now. We can see Evolution happening just as it has always been happening in plants, animals and even humans. We also have all of the information gathered over the last 100 years or so from the geolocical and fossil records. In addition, newer finding from genetics and DNA studies have simply confirmed and strengthened the picture.I can see NO way that anyone can doubt, even for a second, the Evolution happened, is happening and will continue to happen.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Population Growth and Technological Change: One Million B.C. to 1990that was published in 1993 IIRC, they may be able to check. I have a note that says he set the pre-christian era growthrate at about .0007 and from the year 1 until about 1700 at .075.J. R. McNeil & William H. McNeil, in The Human Web, placed the growth rate from 1-1700 at about 12% per century.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I need to point out though, that in that case, all that is changed is the descriptive name. The circle is still a circle regardless of what it is called.The Map is not the Territory.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The problem that I see with your assertion is that you have everything backwards.The circle exists. Crashfrog exists. Even if they remain unnamed and un-described, they exist.Information has content only in relation to the object.Words have meaning only when we assign them to the object. The Map is not the Territory. Words are assigned by man.The objects may well have come into existence by pure chance.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Nonsense. All you're doing is jabbering.Words are only words. The Map is not the Territory. A totally meaningless statement. You know that jumble of letters with no information you've been talking about? That's your quote.I can tell you there is nobody who gives meaning to information. That's the dumbest statement I've heard in many a decade. How stupid. Of course he would be able to look atthe drawing and determine exactly what it is. How in the hell do you think minkind developed the definition of what a circle is.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion