Prophecy for Buzsaw

It would certainly seem that way. Worship God or die? How is that not a threat? Of course, these events are ones over which God has control. (What with his being... y'know, God and everything.) So basically, God's holding a gun to my head and saying "I'll pull this trigger if you don't worship me. Hey, don't get offended... I'm just stating what'll happen."Feelin' the love, let the holy light shine!

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

Oops, there's more... Y'know, it's weird... I've loved some people in my day. That love inspired me to... y'know, not kill them. Maybe I've been going about this whole love thing all wrong, I dunno. Not really. Just means God's threatening you too. Why would that make me feel better?I disagree with you... that doesn't mean I think that someone much stronger than you should threaten you with death.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

At least I get how spelling someone's last name works, especially after I've already been corrected once. Could you explain how? God says (via the Bible) that he's going to kill me if I don't believe in him. How is that not a threat? True.You'll notice how everything above "that is a loving God" doesn't include killing me. So God is destroying the sinner.You'd think God (I mean honestly, God, he's supposed to be able to do anything) could destroy the sin without destroying the sinner. So clearly he's choosing to destroy me if I don't worship him. I guess I really was asking for it. I shouldn't have worn such a short skirt.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

If the way you lop out a few words of Percy's post in post 311 of this thread, while ignoring the point he was trying to make isn't an example of your dishonesty, I don't know what is.Little quote mining tip, Mike: it's easier to misrepresent something if it's not right there in another thread for all to see. Really? It was fulfilled? It refers to "the Lord" as part of the fulfillment... you're gonna prove his existence now, to show that the prophecy was fulfilled? Can't wait to hear it.And it's been explained to you why your source is not extra-Biblical. I notice you haven't responded to the reasoning... just repeatedly screamed "IT'S NOT IN THE BIBLE!!!"Interesting.Feel free to ignore these points, and repeat over and over again that you have a prophecy that meets the rules. Oh, and that there's no provocation for calling you dishonest and/or idiotic. Yeah, and I believe what I actually said... you're either dishonest, or a genuine idiot.This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 09-21-2004 03:18 PM

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

I might add that this is a bald-faced lie. The prophecy specifically assigns motive and agency to the suffering. God is the one inflicting the suffering, and the reason it is happening is for our sins.

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He was wounded and crushed because of our sins;
by taking our punishment
he made us completely well

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All of us were like sheep that had wandered off
We had each gone our own way
but the Lord gave him
the punishment we deserved

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So please find extra-Biblical sources that include God as the agent behind Christ's suffering, and establish the reasoning behind the suffering.Heck, establishing that there's such a thing as "God" would be a good start.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

So the way you said it, the prophecy was just about a guy named Christ who suffered. There's a few more aspects that have to be fulfilled for it to approach being a valid prophecy. I know no such thing. He's part of your prophecy... so establish the prophecy's fulfillment. That includes establishing that the major players in the prophecy even exist. Well gee, I don't know what point you were going to make, but the point we were talking about was whether or not there are valid prophecies in the Bible. It really doesn't establish a valid prophecy to show that a little bit of the prophecy was fulfilled. If you don't have a valid counter-argument, and you continue to present your stuck guns as an argument, then you are being dishonest and/or idiotic.But I like that in calling me arrogant, you proceeded to do exactly what I said you would... ignore the points presented to you, and keep repeating yourself. What's a "Holy Spirit"? Well that's just ridiculous. We're two men, talking about whether or not a set of prophecies are valid to men. What does God even have to do with it? Got it. These prophecies can't stand on their own merits without us assuming they're valid before we read them.This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 09-22-2004 11:16 AM

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

Right there, Willowtree, is where you stop actually reporting things from the Bible. All the Bible says is that we will have to receive the mark of the beast. What this mark is, it doesn't say. It could be chip implants. It could be a tattoo. It could be scarring. It could be a drawing made with felt tip pens. The Bible doesn't say.What previous posters were asking is where the Bible specifically refers to chips and barcodes and cashless societies, not what you think the Bible means when it refers to the mark of the beast.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

And more power to you. But you're not providing what people are asking for. People are asking for a specific place where barcodes, cashless societies, and chip implants are mentioned in the Bible, without the need for a personal theory as to what the Bible means.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

Good gravy, man. I was only pointing out that you were answering a different question than the one that was asked. I understand what you're predicting... I was simply asking where the Bible predicted it.Although since you bring it up, I happen to disagree with you in this case... insofar as I don't think it's blindingly obvious that the word "mark" automatically means "cybernetic implant". In fact, I would go so far as to say that the word "mark" implies that there's a visible mark on the skin, not that anything would be placed under the skin where you can't see it. But that's just me, I guess I'm a literalist.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin

We're in trouble, then. Moronic statements are all I got. I don't know how anyone would remember this "Dan Carrol" now, whoever he is. You might want to take a swing back to the posts surrounding it and take another glance. I was responding to the idea that Jesus is the messiah because the NT says so.So, okay, I'm the messiah because I say so. Isn't that fun?The point of the post was that the reasoning was stupid. Stupid when I use it, stupid when Jesus fans use it.I hope that helps. Sock puppets on standby though, just in case. *tips hat*

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"If I had to write ten jokes about potholders, I don't think I could do it. But I could write ten jokes about Catholicism in the next twenty minutes. I guess I'm drawn to religion because I can be provocative without harming something people really care about, like their cars."
-George Meyer, Simpsons writer