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tsig Member (Idle past 2937 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Thank you very much. It's thge one I learned in the seminary many years ago. now the one about the unjust steward I never did get. Unless you add a lot to the text it just dosen't make sense. In the first place if the owner knew the man was dishonest why not fire him on the spot and have him arrested.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Don't forget that the Pharisees also heard and Jesus supposedly said to them: "You are the ones who justify yourselves in the eyes of men, but God knows your hearts. What is highly valued among men is detestable in God's sight. So why is it bad for the Pharisees to use worldly wealth to gain friends, but not the disciples?
quote:But in the book of Luke, Jesus doesn’t address the last days until Luke 21. So in this book at that moment in time, he probably hadn't taught them about the last days. The article you linked to brings out eternal damnation, but the gospels don't. So it wouldn't be a lesson taught at the specific time.
quote:I understand what the steward is doing, but what religious or moral lesson of that time does it teach? 1. Use worldly wealth to gain friends...welcomed into eternal dwellings.2. Whoever can be trusted with very little can be trusted with much... 3. No servant can serve two masters... 4. What is highly valued among men is detestable to God's sight. The parable supports the first one, but, as I've said before, that sounds like works can get you into heaven. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6901 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
There is no need for thanks. When you are right you are right, etc. The unjust steward? Copy it to me.
I like your avatar. George
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tsig Member (Idle past 2937 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
There is no need for thanks. When you are right you are right, etc. The unjust steward? Copy it to me. I like your avatar. It's the one they are discussing under the title "the shrewd manager". The avatatr is Pale Male, a redtail that lives in NY city and has his own website.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:I agree that the parable has nothing to do with money, but it also doesn't deal with when one gets to heaven. Jesus preached that the "Kingdom of God" was at hand (imminent).
From "The Way of God" by Moshe Chaim Luzzatto The true time and place of reward will therefore be after the resurrection in this renewed world." As I understand it, the Jews in the time of Jesus believed that the whole world and its occupants must die to purify it from the sin of Adam. Unfortunately they didn't believe that all people would be equal in this time of reward. The works accomplished before the renewal would determine their reward after the renewal. Remember the conversation just before the parable.
Matthew 19:27-29 Peter anwered him, "We have left everything to follow you! What then will there be for us?" Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things...And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or chldren or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life." Jesus uses this parable to teach his disciples that God would be generous at the time of renewal and reward equally regardless of the works accomplished before the renewal. With this parable he also teaches them that those who serve God should do so out of love rather than for the guarantee of a reward. A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6901 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
Just saw a program about those red tails and Pale Male. I sat spellbound.
This parable about rewarding workers equally regardless of when they entered the workforce is a promise that makes certain no one labors in vain, no one has an advantage, all are equal in the kingdom of God. Too many are inclined to project human behavior on God. Well, that much should be obvious....it's not recommended.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:What other type of behavior would be available to give people an understanding of God? A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
NIV writes:
1) The young ruler still felt as if he lacked something in life, despite his great wealth. Matt 19:16-22=Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?""Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments." "Which ones?" the man inquired. Jesus replied, "'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'" "All these I have kept," the young man said. "What do I still lack?"Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.2)Jesus asked him why he called Jesus "good". What does this mean to you? This message has been edited by Phatboy, 10-27-2004 10:52 AM
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
"'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,' and 'love your neighbor as yourself.'" So, apparently, coveting your neighbours Ox is back in?
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6901 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
This is funny, but........
if you look at it closely, you will see that the ten commandments are cleverly enclosed in the two that say 'love God and your neighbor as yourself'. If you love your neighbor, you won't covet his ox, or his ass....ahem. Love God is a synopsis of the first four commandments, your neighbor as yourself a synopsis of the last six. Pretty sharp, eh?
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6901 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
no kind of behavior that is anything like human behavior should be projected on God.
Our ways are not God’s ways. We know his acts, but not his ways."For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord" (Isaiah 55:8). "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts" (Isaiah 55:9). Difficult to fathom?
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
Behavior: 1. the way a person behaves or acts; conduct
quote: Wasn't God talking to a specific group in Isaiah as opposed to the entire human race?
Deuteronomy 8:6
There are several verses telling us to walk in His ways by following his commandments. Therefore we do know his ways."Therefore, you shall keep the commandments of the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to fear Him. What acts of God do not relate to human behavior? A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3486 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
This is a conversation, not a parable.
quote: "Works" will get him a place in the "world to come." A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger.
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Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
You're telling me you don't covet any of your posessions? A favourite pen? Your new car? Your lucky underpants?
And I don't see any mention of God in Jesus' list. There is actually a point behind the witicism. Jesus list does not match the ten commandments, unless you're willing to accept all sorts of broad interpretations. Any answers as to why?
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Phat Member Posts: 18348 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
purpledawn writes: It does not say that. It says that works will give him treasure in the world to come. His membership was bought by Grace...not works. Of course, being Jewish, I can see where the works thing may have applied...Paul was still Saul at this point in time. "Works" will get him a place in the "world to come."Wrong Dispensation...sorry
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