Is man inherently good or inherently evil?

You have missed all my points.
Actually you haven't. I know that.
In your reply you haven't acknowledge them. I do not have to explain myself to you, because you already know what I was talking about.

It was for rhain, not you.
rhain does not make me angry in the least. He just spreads confusion, and that picture is what God showed me about him. He knows what it means, I do not.

Great, now they are liars. Whats next? NO, you think you know what I meant. What I meant is what I said, something you may not be familiar with.It is not the power I have over you, it is the exact opposite. It is how you stand firm in all your logic. I can see very clearly that your logic fails many times, and then one day you will realize it too. Then you demise will be meet. It will happen while you are alive, so it would have been impossible for me to have condemmed you to hell by saying that. I made it very clear to you, SEVERAL times that I do not condem people to hell, and I only judge them if it is in a good way.
Good will come from this bad rhain.Unlike you, I realize that no matter how smart I think I am, I can be smarter. I also realize that I can learn from anybody, as I could not experience everything in life that they have, and the order of events that brings them to a certain point in life. I am not afraid to be wrong.But, and here's the good part. God has shown me that you will rise up again, and overcome it all. Listen, your the one who doesn't believe the bible, not me. You are the one that takes things in the bible out of context, and then uses it to not believe. If the bible is not right, then stop using it to prove things rhain, plain and simple.Isiah 45:7 doesn not mean that he makes evil just for the sake of making evil. He makes evil (or brings disaster) to evil doers, who do not follow his good word. He does this for the good. So yes all that God creates is good, even the evil. But the evil from man is not good.If someone was murdering someone you love, and God came down and did evil to them, by killing the perpetrator on the spot. would you consider this good or evil? The demise will come from inside yourself. Funny how you think I have a direct line to God though, was it something I said? You can have that line too. Take my hand brother. Funny how you think I am going to cause it, as if could never come from yourself. Do you feel threatened? There you go again. If I say something, it means only that thing and nothing else. There is only one path to righteousness. GOD will judge the rest, not me. I do not condemn people, they condemn themselves.
How they do that, I do not know. But they do. Just yourself right? No rhain, you cannot use mathematics to solve this one. Its not binary. This will be part of your demise, your binary way of thinking is going to let you down in a big way one day, I know this. I did not say that I have not apologized to you, I said I did not have to apologize to you. I did it to be nice. You should try it sometime.
your saving of quotes is pure non-sense. IF we communicate 10,000 words to each other and you or I forget one, it doesn't make one or the other invalid. It makes us human. But you think in binary, so you can't see that. I have proved you wrong to inother posts, I have proved you a hypocrite. Does that mean you can't make a good point, no. I will still listen to rhain, I Love you.You on the other hand never apologize when you are wrong, mmmm.

Lets see: rhains interpretation of Zechariah 9:10 The bibles, that he quoted: In his classic fashion of translating what someone says to fit his needs at the moment, he thinks that speaking peace to heathen means he will be a warlord. His dominion is currently from sea even to sea And in the end (I love starting a sentence with and) it will be even more so, to the ends of the earth Oh, and about faith in the bible:
I never claimed to know the bible better than anyone. I haven't even read the whole thing yet. I have completed the NT 2 times. I am not an expert on it. But the bible definatly contains God's word. The more I read it, and get into these type of debates, the more confirmation I get. I have recieved God's Holy word through the bible, and a baptism of the Holy Spirit. Knowing God's word in my heart allows me to translate what I read better than you so far. Without knowing God's word, and being led by deception, of course you would find all these contradictions.
Even still, if the bible has mistakes in it, either from translation, or mistakes from the author, It still contains God's word.I try to focus mainly on what Jesus said. He promised a lot of things, and I have recieved them all, and continus to recieved them on a daily basis.

I did not mean to imply that. What I have seen is a shift in the way Jewish people do things, without being driven by Christ, that brings them closer to Christ. Most of it dealing with rituals. Has nothing to do with pagans. Ok, then why are many Jews converting to Christ? Jews for Jesus?
I understand about prophecy, but wasn't a prophet judged to be from God or not, based on the accuracy of his prophecies?I am all ears.

Not if Jesus is the Messiah.
I am wrong?I also understand the Jews get a second chance right, is that what you mean?
But wouldn't it beatiful for a Jew if he knew his Messiah? I find many awesome qualities in Hassidic Jews, that if they came to know their Messiah, well it would just be awesome for them. I mean this in a good way.

Well to be honest, I am not an expert on it, and the one J4J tha I do know does in fact have a jewish heritage. So do most of the members of her church.I will speak to her next time I see her and ask about that. I don't see her too often though.

Wow, what a waste of time, whew.Quick question, if the bible says your going to hell if you do XYZ, and I point that out, but actually do not accuse you of doing XYZ, who is condemning who to hell?

*clears throat* Um no rhain, that is just you mis-interpreting me 2 dozen times with your binary thinking.wow, just wow.

Of course the Jews are going to reject it. Just Silly rhain.
That doesn't make it Christian. In classic fashion you have contorted the evidence again, congradulations.In your own link you posted it cleary sates that many of them were in fact once Jewish.Your quote: Your links quote: That doesn't sound like "not any Jews". Plus I know one first hand.

Just because no-one Prophecies about him coming back from the grave, does not mean he didn't fill the phrophcies of the bible.

Ok, so lets examine this response of yours. This is classic rhain stuff. In the first sentence of your reply, you acknowledge that my response is in reference to your lengthy post, by explaining how you got it to be that long. So you clearly understand why my response said what it said.Then you proceed to twist what I say to make it sound like I am insulting myself, which you already know its not true. That makes you a liar.rhain, I have no time to waste on people like you, who continually lie about themselves, and others. How would expect to find the truth amoung all those lies?God is the truth, the devil is the king of all lies. You will choose your own destiny, and only you can condemn yourself. God will be the one to judge. I have nothing to do with that whole process, but to point out to you that there is a better way than they way you are living, a lie. That is clear now.You justify your lies with your binary way of thinking, but 2+2 will never=5 No matter how bad you try to prove otherwise. Some may be fooled by your way of thinking, but the truth will shine through like a light.This is why I cannot talk to you anymore, you are irrational, a liar, and a hypocrite. I have proven them all, so its not meant as an insult, but a truth. So go ahead and shrug your shoulders at me, and come up with a crazy long response that was designed to do nothing more stir up anger in someone (which you have failed to do with me).Peace rhain. I still give you my blessings, and I still pray for you, even though you don't like it.

This is for both admins.
Calling someone irrational, a liar, and a hypocrite if they were all proven has nothing to do with my emotion, I have cleary stated that.
I also cleary stated that it is not an insult, but for rhains own good, its the truth.His responses as a matter of fact are designed to stir up anger:
adminnosy writes So you obviously agree with me about the way he expresses himself.AdminHambre writes: I do not find posts that are designed to stir up anger objective.Telling the truth is very objective and condusive to the conversation. Telling me to be objective while rhain can do or say whatever he wants, even when the admins themselves aren't very found of it is just flat out wrong.I don't think I am the one that needs talking to. I don't like to butt heads with the admins, but this is how I feel.

Seriously rhain, who should we believe? The Jews percecuted Jesus 2000 years ago, and still do it today. I preach to many Jews and I see the percecution first hand. But its not all Jews.My guess is that they still percecute him for the same reason they did 2000 years ago.Who's the final arbiter? God.
But if Jew decides to believe in Jesus, and accept him as there Messiah, what difference does it make who is running their temple? What difference does it make who accepts it? Funny you and I read 2 different things then. Thats from your link. It says that there are Jews and non-Jews, but you decide to point out the non-Jews only, where is the logic in that? You must answer that question in order for us to recieve your thoughts as valid. Quote the article then, because I read: Jewsish, OR married to Jews. That would mean both, not one or the other. That would be the reason why the Jews do not accept it. but that does not make the fact that Jewish people are indeed involved and have found their Messiah, invalid.So your point is mute.Did you figure this one out on your calculator?
Check the batteries.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 11-03-2004 07:55 AM

Of course, then Jesus would have to be the Messiah.Can you prove that he did things that the real Messiah would never do?
Your claiming it.