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Author Topic:   Is man inherently good or inherently evil?
joshua221 
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Message 8 of 271 (141839)
09-12-2004 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Rrhain
09-12-2004 4:39 PM


quote:
Was that a Biblical contradiction I just spotted....?
Where?

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 9 of 271 (141840)
09-12-2004 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Mr. Bound
09-12-2004 3:31 PM


quote:
I'm with Nietzsche on this one. Man has no Will to Good or Evil, just the Will to Power. It also fits in nicely with the ToE.
I think man has a "will" to good and evil. Otherwise people would fit into the animal kingdom quite nicely. "only the strong survive" would be looked at a lot differently if Man had no "will" to Good or Evil.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 20 of 271 (142198)
09-13-2004 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Rrhain
09-13-2004 1:21 AM


I want you to provide the actual reference guy.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 21 of 271 (142200)
09-13-2004 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Mr. Bound
09-13-2004 8:41 PM


quote:
People do fit into the Animal Kingdom quite nicely, and the strong have been surviving regardless of 'good' or 'evil' for millenia.
We are set apart from the rest, No not only in brain size. We have souls, we can reason.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 22 of 271 (142203)
09-13-2004 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by nator
09-12-2004 11:49 PM


Most if not all animals have the ability to adapt. Evo? lol
I say that humans do not fit into the animal kingdom quite nicely.
Check out response to Bound.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 23 of 271 (142204)
09-13-2004 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by 1.61803
09-13-2004 4:55 PM


That's actually a good point. But I'm sure some standards can be made. I mean most people would agree that murdering someone out of vicious hate is "evil", wouldn't you agree?

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 25 of 271 (142206)
09-13-2004 10:08 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by jar
09-13-2004 10:07 PM


quote:
Please so one way other than humans propensity to kill over philosophic disputes. Most animals do not do that at least.
All animals do not understand, or think about philisophical ideas.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 27 of 271 (142221)
09-13-2004 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by jar
09-13-2004 10:16 PM


quote:
they certainly do not kill over them
All animals do not understand, or think about philisophical ideas.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 45 of 271 (142624)
09-15-2004 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Rrhain
09-15-2004 3:29 AM


quote:
You mean you haven't read your own holy book?
Please, asking for a specific reference that you were talking about yet not revealing does not imply that I do not read the bible.
quote:
Notice you pick up two contradictions, but they're essentially variations of the same problem: What is the nature of man. One is saying we're born that way, another is saying we have to do it. One says we are saved by faith. The other says we are saved by deeds.
I picked up what I thought you would say would be the contradictions at least.
I also noticed how living a life of sin yet claiming to be saved by the Christ is wrong, I think that these are not contradictions, and when read and followed, will make a life holy.
quote:
Shall I go on?
Feel free but don't expect a quick reply, school work has been keeping me busy especially when coupled with sports, and guitar. (not trying to complain, sry in advance is this rubs you the wrong way)

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 46 of 271 (142626)
09-15-2004 10:03 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Rrhain
09-15-2004 3:17 AM


Although similarities between animals like DNA (as schraf said) exist, an unreasonable conclusion is humans are also animals. If you haven't realized the differences aside from physicalities, then check them out.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 47 of 271 (142627)
09-15-2004 10:09 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by nator
09-14-2004 9:21 AM


quote:
Yes, but humans do it very, very well.
Yes, but the original statement was wrong, and kind of funny.
quote:
You also ignored the more important part of what I said, which is that we are very good at altering our environment to suit our needs.
So what? Would this not be a decent claim to add to the differences? What eggactly are you trying to say?
quote:
Um, we have nearly identical DNA with other primate species, we can use animal tissues to heal our injuries and illnesses, we are made of exactly the same stuff as the rest of the animal world, our bodies are of the same basic body plan, our metabloism and reproduction is basically the same as any other mammals'...
Um, check out the rrhain reply.
quote:
You assert the existence of a soul, but that is just your belief and not demonstrated.
Got me there, intangible, subjective...

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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joshua221 
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Message 48 of 271 (142628)
09-15-2004 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by joshua221
09-15-2004 10:03 PM


Scratch that, I guess calling humans animals is ok... But I personnally believe that we are so so much different. Schraf made me come to this realization, thanks. The subjectivity thing.

"Wake up, O sleeper, rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you."
Ephesians 5:14

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