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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
My my my.
Genesis was compipled by the Jews for the Jews during the timeperiod of the 2 Kings, as was most of the Torah. It is an allegorial story. It wasactually a rip off from the Ugartic creation myth that the pheonicians had, as indeed much of the Torah is. Some of the Torah was 'inspired' by Sumeritian sources (look at the legend of sargon, and see how the first 7 lines compares with the birth of Moses.)
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
From your statement, it sounds like the bible is an inkblot test.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Unless, of course, the atheist is right, and there is no god, and no afterlife.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Why yes, I am say that Judaism ripped off other religion. The Ugarltic bible, and the sumarian religion are just two sources.
All the various names of God in the Torah are just different godsin the Ugartic mythology. El was the Lord of Lords. and Yahwey was titled 'the son of God'. Basically, all the names of god in the Ugartic mythology were assumulated into one with the early Judaism. In the Ugartic mythology,the consort of Yawhey was Asherea, who is mentioned in 2 kings, when her handmaidens were driven from the temple. The cult of Asherea stayed amoung the rural Jews until the 3rd Century B.C.E, despite the efforts of the priests to irradicate it. Also, look at the Sumarian myth, the Legend of Sargon, which has someparrells to the story about Moses being drawn from the water. http://luna.cas.usf.edu/...urray/classes/ah/sargonlegend.htm Sargon, the mighty king, king of Agade, am I.MY mother was a changeling1, my father I knew not. The brother(s) of my father loved the hills. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the banks of the Euphrates. My changeling mother conceived me, in secret she bore me. She set me in a basket of rushes, with bitumen she sealed My lid. She cast me into the river which rose not (over) me, The river bore me up and carried me to Akki, the drawer of water. Akki, the drawer of water lifted me out as he dipped his e[w]er. Akki, the drawer of water, [took me] as his son (and) reared me. Akki, the drawer of water, appointed me as his gardener, While I was a gardener, Ishtar granted me (her) love, And for four and [ ... ] years I exercised kingship,
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Everyone is equal.
So ,no one needs forgiveness from a 'most high'.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
You do realise there is no secular evidence for any Jesus of Nazareth from before the Jewish revolt in 70 C.E> at all.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Of course, you are misreprenting the Jewish position on Faith and works.
Judaism is a works oriented religion. Plus, in Judism there is no concept of 'salvation' for the afterlife. It is LIFE oriented to thehear and now. The laws of the Jews are for the Jews, and how the Jews have decieded toworship God. They acknowledge that it is not the only path to god.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Yes, I am. What objective evidence do you have that it is anything other than a myth?
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
On the contrary.
The misinterpretaitons of CHristians , using bad translations, and pushing pagan myths as well as pagan concepts onto the Jewish religion is irrelavent to the Jewish faith. The concept of the Messiah is different in Judaism. Jesus also did not met the requirement for the Jewish messiah. ALso, the concept of prophecy is not 'predicting the future' in Judaism either. You got there major misconceptions in one paragraph about the Jewish religion.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
No, actually it isn't.
I will accept your bigoted statements about Jews is based on your vast ignorance. He is quite correct though. Jews do not need Jesus. Jesus is irrelavent to the Jews.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
No one who follows the Jewish faith follows Jesus.
The so called 'Jews for Jesus" or "messanic jews" are southern baptists dressed up to sound jewish. Most of the J4J don't even HAVE Jewish ancestory.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
No, in judaism Jesus was not a prophet. The age of prophecy ended at the first disporia.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
You say you focus on what Jesus said.
Where did Jesus say he was 'The only begotten son of god'. (Not what was claimed for him, but what he said) Where did he say unambiguously say he was god?? (well, words atributed to him at least).
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Assimulation.. the few people in the Jews for Jesus that actually HAVE jewish background generally are people that have not been properly educated. Many of them leave.
Most of the so called 'Jews for Jesus' never grew up in a Jewish household. Many do not even have Jewish ancestory. The ministry is a fraud. I mean, look at it's board of directors. Look on how many people on the board fo directors are Southern Baptist ministers. Look where the funding for the J4J come from. That should give you an indication ofwhat it is.. a mask by southern baptists to try to convert the jews. Yes, some have converted. Others converted, and then left. I also knowseveral ones that were Christians, went to the J4J, and then dropped then, and converted to Judaism.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Well, you know..
For someone to be the Messiah in the Jewish sense, he 1) has to be just a man, decended from the male line from David.2) Insure that the temple is in Jersualum 3) Become the King of Israel.. without any foreign influence. 4) Make the Torah the center of all the worship of all the world. 5) Insure eternal peace in this world. DOesn't seem like Jesus did that. The 'potential' messiahs only get one chance.
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