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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
The passages you have offered don't satisfy the laws of Thermodynamics. How so?
You not established that the energy was anything that the laws apply to. Why not?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Now that I'm caught up on responses, I've been thinking about this discussion about God, the supernatural and 2ltd relative to the sabbath day, as initiated in Genesis one. Genesis one states that after God finished his work involving six creation days, he rested on the sabbath/7th day. This's interesting, relative to his power. It appears to implicate that God's entropy did, as per 2ltd, increase to the point of having need of a rest day for resustenance to his desired power maintenance. This also seems to indicate that there is an ebb and flow of energy and entropy between God, the creator and his created universe.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
God having to rest shows that he does not have infinite power, thereby refuting one of your claims. If he has the power to operate and control the entire universe as supreme majesty and creator of the universe, I don't think he has a power problem. My remarks pertained to how he seems to function relative to the scientific laws observed. Sending his only born son, Jesus to suffer and die for the sins of his fallen creatures was certainly an increase in the entropy of the trinity, but the resurrection suddenly reversed that. So we see the ebb and flow regulated by god of energy to suit his purpose.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
And the answer is that we don't have enough information to tell. There is enough infomation in the texts as stated, but of course, not enough to prove that the miracle occured.
Do you intend to provide the information we would need or is this topic a complete waste of time? I've provided all the information needed for the purpose of the thread. Whether it's a waste of your time depends on how interested you are in the information which I've provided as well of the responses. Likely you've learned something pertaining to my topic to think about which you were not aware of before it was submitted. Nobody's dragged you in kicking and screaming have they? The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Is this meant to be a wind-up? I guess that depends on whether any counterparts step up to bat who can hit the ball for a run.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
This is getting stupid - tackling this on the science front is out because we are told by admin that: a) Buzz gets a special pass because he is slow and b) because it is not meant to be a science thread (which doesn't stop buzz ranting like he is discussing science). Why on the evidence of this thread alone is buzz not in bootcamp? I'm done with this charade of a debate. Admin Ned's bias is showing badly. He can't refute, so he turns to belittlement. That in turn gives the likeminded loosers in this debate a semblence of credibility in their/your meanspirited insults. THAT'S DIRTY POOL, PLAIN AND SIMPLE!!
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Buz, you have provided jack squat! You were allowed this topic, you chose it. Now, again, you wish to run for cover when things get a bit hot. Why don't you get it? You know nothing about the sciences. You are not competant to discuss these issues. That's a crock of bull, Ned. I've responded to nearly every post of this thread of counterparts and not one has effectively refuted including you. If you think you're so dang smart, bring up the posts I've made which are contrary to science and debate forthrightly like a man! The unfounded insults you're fostering border guideline violations, imo! We should expect more exemplary stuff from you, being in administration.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Ned, Your post has me actually laughing in my computer chair because the problem is not that Buz is "not competant to discuss these issues", but as I suddenly realized that the real problem is Buz is not competant to realize his incompetance! I don't know why I'm finding this so funny, Buz takes great pride and pleasure in his wild parody of science and the rest of us just tear our hair out! Go ahead and laugh, Ifen. Now that you have a chorus of loosers with you, it's fun, isn't it? THE TRUTH IS THAT THE REASON YOU AND SOME OTHER SORE HEADED LOOSERS IN DEBATE ARE TEARING YOUR HAIR OUT IS BECAUSE YOU'VE LOST THE DEBATE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 12-12-2004 09:02 PM
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Yeah, but Jar, you went on to continue trying to educate him!!!????? Oh, well, guess you haven't gotten enough At least if's hilarity, right? lfen Ifen, maboy/girl, It'd be nice if you'd grow up to stop acting bratish. I think your mother's calling you.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Thanks, Mike, and congratulations. You've finally contributed something substantive to the thread.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
If GOD was subject to the 2nd. Law of Thermodynamics then he would certainly not be all powerful. If, as Genesis said, he rested on the seventh day, then it appears he is subject to the 2nd. Law of Thermodynamics and waited for energy from some other outside source to trickle down to him. So based on that, I would have to say that anyone that takes the Genesis account literally cannot logically believe in an all powerful GOD and that they must believe in some more powerful energy source. Or that it's an open system and the Laws don't apply. I suggest you read posts 86 and the last sentence in 94 where I've addressed this.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I am asking about the natural world, not the universe. Why should God have to follow natural laws if he is supernatural and created the natural world? You're missreading me. Please tell me where you think I have said God must follow natural laws. Go to my op. 1. True or false? The Biblical texts cited in my op involve what we consider to be the supernatural. 2. True or false? One or more of the three natural td laws were violated in the text events cited in my op. I have not contended that God must follow what we consider to be natural laws. I have hypothesized that the observable td laws which we consider to be natural also appear to be applicable to the Biblical spiritual as well. I don't see what you people consider to be so crazy about this hypothesis. I'm not asking anyone to believe in the supernatural, but if it does exist, why do members think it's cool and proper to insult and belittle another poster for bringing up this possibility for discussion by the group?
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
You can instead simply continue as you are if you wish, but nonsensical threads will be closed. Hi Percy. It's a shame when one must have a following for one to express one's opinion here. New thought is chastized and outright banned. I've been shouted down by a pack, not one of who has refuted my op, showing that if the Biblical texts cited were true, the supernatural events in them would not violate the 3td laws. That means that so far I've won this debate and the frustrated counterparts have managed in their/your frustration, to censor me for confounding them/you. Now how nice of you to allow me to continue, with the addendum that "nonsensical threads will be closed." Since you've already judged my win here in this thread to be nonsense, you can shut it down and I'll look around for a place where I can talk nonsense.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
You showed this? Just how did you do that? By challenging you and your friends to refute my op and getting no scoring hits.
You were asked for the thermodynamic calculations involved. You didn't produce them. I have stated the 3td laws along with the text and challenged someone to show that they violate the laws as stated. So if thermodynamic calculations are required, why the heck didn't you produce some thermodynamic calculations to prove me wrong? And btw, do you have the thermodynamic calculations to verify that Rich Gore's so called scientific particle of space satisfies the 3d laws? Can you qantify that submicroscopic particle of his? Hmmm? The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz
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