God, The Supernatural And the Three Laws

Well I am amazed that this incoherent mess got approved. I would ahve thought that a major rewrite would have been in order.The second paragraph although constituting the majority of the text is illogical rambling which does nto clearly relate to teh topic.The third paragraph is vaguely related to the topic but completely lacks the details of how it relates to the laws of thermodynamics or explains why it would be at all significant if it did. (Here's a hint - the laws of thermodynamics are quantitiative therefore to know if they are satisfied we need the actual numbers. And I do not see hwo those numbers could be available).I suggest that the author should go back, think about what he wishes to say and then produce a post which properly addresses that issue.

Buz, it doesn't take much thought to tell that anyone who tries to relate the Spirit of God moving on the waters to the Big Bang singularity - without any explanation - is missing more than a little logic.And no, you did NOT demonstrate that any of the text actually satisfied the three laws. Only that it did not offer enough details to say that it contradicted them.Apparently you can't even be bothered to read what I wrote - how can you show that your examples did not involve a decrease in entropy without any of the details that would let you tell ?So Buz, take your own advice and THINK!

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My suggestion is that detection can be had by those of us who've experienced the indwelling radiation of the spiritual birth predicted by the big birth theory. Further detection can be effected by observing what appears to be intelligently designed things in the universe. Then too, detection is quite evidenced in the fulfilled prophecies

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So we have a subjective interpretation of a subjetive experience - which may well have no external source and if it did could be provkoed by a finite power.A subjective and superficial interpetation of evidence that fails when we look deeper. And even if the interpretation were correct it proposes nothing outside the ability of a finite power.And an outright misrepresentation (because we've been over this before and when we look at the complete text of the "fulfilled" prophecies we find out that they failed). And either a real fulfilled prophecy would be within the capabilities of finite power or it would be impossible.So none can be evidence of a infinite power even if the serious weaknesses in each were corrected.

The relative status of your opinion and Rick Gore's views has no connection to the clear non-sequitur in your post. Thus you respond to evidence that you failed to think about what you were writing with a failure to think about what you are replying to.Moreover you failed to think about my point that we require the numbers. The OVERALL entropy of a closed system cannot decrease. Any local decrease must be offset by an equal or greater increase elsewhere in the system. Thus to show that the second law HAS been satisfied we need the numbers to show that this is so. (Moreover I would have to ask how we could consider the entropy of an infinite energy source to increase - surely no matter what happens the energy it has available to do work can never decrease).

I stated facts - you may call them "biased opinions" but facts they remain.Moreover you were the one who failed to substantiate his claims and ran away from the argument. I on the other hand provided evidence and reasoning. But thanks for confirming again that you consider the Bible idealogically opposed to your beliefs.

I have to wonder what the point to all this speculation is. THere is no way to reach a firm conclusion based on so many "maybes".Let me point out the biggest problem. So long as you speculate that an infinite energy source did this or that you render the laws of thermodynamics moot - they simply cannot be usefully applied. Well except to point out that thermodynamics prohibits perpetual motion machines which would include any infinite energy source.

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The topic is not about substantiating the healing power of Christ, but as to whether or not the transferance of energy to effect the miracle satisfies or violates td laws.

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And the answer is that we don't have enough information to tell.Do you intend to provide the information we would need or is this topic a complete waste of time ?

Well Buz, since it seems we're talking about your own made-up Bible again can we please have the information we require.I've told you several times that we need the numbers, and you have not provided them. They are NOT in the text of the real Bible.If you've not learnt that then this thread has been a waste of time even for you.