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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Justice,
how many Gods are there, according to LDS teachings? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Justice writes: What you deem as teachings, and what is actually taught, are two different things. you can't argue that with me, I'm LDS. What I claim as LDS teachings is what is contained in LDS scripture: KJV BibleThe BOM Doctrine and Covenants Pearl of Great Price and also documented teachings of LDS apostles, like the Journal of Discourses and Articles of Faith Are you suggesting that things are taught that contradict the above scriptures ?!
Justice writes: it is known that there is ONE God, our Heavenly Father. ok...
Justice writes: Christ is also as God is. he is also therefore referred to - as God - , because he is also God, just not >GOD< God. hang on.. you just said there is only ONE God. Now you're saying there are two? make up your mind! Do you also believe there is a Heavenly Mother ?
Justice writes: then we, through repentance, and the Atonement of Christ, enter into our Redemtion, and through the Eternities, become as God >IS<. >AS< Gods. when you say 'as' Gods what do you mean? do you mean in stature, power, glory, what ?
Justice writes: The Lord has Said it. Where? show me!
Justice writes:
well, then you'll surely know that in your church the truth is only gradually revealed. So, unless you are the living prophet, I can argue with you all I want. ...you can't argue that with me, I'm LDS. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
may I suggest we pick up where we left off at this other thread: Can we trust the Book of Mormon? ?
"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
I didn't try to discredit the Book of Mormon by naming it BoM, I just write it like that because it saves time and typing. If that offends you, I'll call it by its full name from now on.
** EDIT ** removed last sentence as I just saw a reply to me in Message 147 This message has been edited by Legend, 12-13-2004 05:03 PM "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Then why does the bible say there is only one God ?!
"Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any]." (Isaiah 44:8 ) ** EDIT - first sentence for clarity This message has been edited by Legend, 12-13-2004 05:28 PM "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
but the Bible says there haven't been any prophets since John:
"The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." ( Luke 16:16 ) "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:1-2) So the Bible says there is no living prophet! don't you believe the word of God? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
quote: I think his avatar is depicting Joseph Smith.
quote: Hey, the church has to grow! "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
are you referring to the Egyptian papyri fiasco ? what happened was that some Egyptian papyri were discovered and Joseph Smith offered to translate them. He then proclaimed that they were the writings of Abraham and Joseph (or some other biblical characters, I can't remember) and all the Mormons were very excited about it. I think some of the translation even got to be included in LDS scriptures (Pearl of Great Price). As, at the time, hieroglyphics were not readable, Smith's translation could not be validated either way.
Then, the papyri were lost, presumed destroyed. About a hundred years later, the papyri re-surfaced and -guess what- by that time hieroglyphic translation had been cracked, so the papyri were actually translated. Surprise, surprise they were not the story of Abraham or Joseph, but some Egyptian priest going about his ordinary life. A lot of back-pedalling from LDS has ensued ever since. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
quote: my understanding is that LDS memners can become gods and rule over their own universe. So, it's more of a cosmos with their name on it. The implication being, that the bible God was, once, a man in another universe.
quote: only if you haven't done the ritual handshaking and sacred gestures. Joseph Smith copied a lot of the Masonic rituals in his temple ceremonies. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
yeeahhh...just a tad judgemental, IMHO. There's no need for all this 'you are wicked' stuff, methinks
"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Justice,
the Bible says there is only one God. I'm actually addressing this in more detail, in another thread, here :Msg 224 - How many Gods are there? . What makes you think that there are many gods and only one can preside over them? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Justice writes: yes, but see the thing is is that you understand that God uses Living Prophets But the Bible says that there are no more prophets since John. There is no need for them because God has spoken through Jesus. "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." ( Luke 16:16 ) "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:1-2) Who do you expect me to believe - you or the Bible ? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
yes, I think they were standard funeral rites, nothing to do with Abraham and Joseph whatsoever. LDS members I've talked to, who knew of this affair, accept that the papyri for what they were, but don't acknowledge that J.Smith translated them to produce the book of Abraham.
Go figure, "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Justice writes: I expect you to believe Truth, whether you've interpreted it from The Bible, Me, or God. are you suggesting that you have the truth where the Bible doesn't? Tell me, do you believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God ? "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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Legend Member (Idle past 5037 days) Posts: 1226 From: Wales, UK Joined: |
Justice writes: It's a hard concept to understand, but it does make sense afterwards "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me...""That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else." (Isaiah 45:5,6) what's so hard to understand about that ? How many Gods are there ?
Justice writes: ...but don't forget to remind me incase I forget don't you worry, I will. "In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."
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