The ulitmate sin: blasphemy against the Holy Ghost

Wiggle room statements.The fact is that a segment of our population here in the US is being discriminated against. What else can you call laws that prevent certain segments of the population from getting Health Care?By supporting DOMA and other anti-homosexual legislation and practices, Christians are behaving anti-Christ. Just as fifty years ago, many Christians are on the wrong side.The rank and file, those simply following the rantings from the pulpit are simply misguided, they have been lied to. But those in a position of honor and authority in the Church, the Jerry Falwells, Gene Scotts, Jim Bakkers, Oral Roberts, Pat Robertsons, Jimmy Swaggarts, Robert Tiltons, Bob Larsons and Fred Phelps are doing far worse. They are preaching an abomination of the Christian message and should be condemned by any thinking Christian.There are others. Ron Wyatt was simply a fool. Walt Brown is just ignorant. Such failings can be understood and forgiven.But although you may not want to think you are discriminating against a people, when you actively work to deprive them of health care and legal protection, how else can it be defined?

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How else can you describe denying people the right to access to health care?How else can you describe denying people the right to protection from domestic violence?How else can you describe denying people inheritance rights?How else can you describe denying people the same access to protection under divorce laws?How else can you define denying people the rights of adoption?The list goes on and on. You can say you are not discriminating but the facts say otherwise.It's time the vast bulk of Christians began acting like Christians and stood up in opposition of DOMA and all other such discriminatory laws.

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This is from you message 54 IIRC. If they are a stable family, why not? How can what happens in another marriage affect a seperate marriage? That's simply stupid. Who the hell is talking about privileges? If you think access to health care is a privilege you are in worse shape than I thought. Bunch of off topic bullshit that has nothing to do with the topic. What privileges? If you consider access to health care a privilege you are worse off than I thought. Bullshit. You can get a Judaic marriage, Islamic, Shinto, Buddhist or purely secular marriage. What the hell does that crap have to do with the subject. We are talking about depriving people of access to health care. Bullshit. You can only get married with a license from the state. You cannot get married in a Church without a license from the state. You can get married without a church, but you still need that license from the state.So let's see if I can get you to explain how you justify discrimination, oppression and bigotry this time?How else can you describe denying people the right to access to health care?How else can you describe denying people the right to protection from domestic violence?How else can you describe denying people inheritance rights?How else can you describe denying people the same access to protection under divorce laws?I'm sorry, but a person who is trying to follow the teaching of Jesus CANNOT in honesty support DOMA and other anti-Christ legislation.This message has been edited by jar, 01-04-2005 23:14 AM

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I certainly hope so. I hope that it pains and embarasses you. I hope that it hurts you enough to make you stop and reexamine your actions. In addition to denying Jesus Peter, try sticking your fingers in your ears and humming "La-La-La-La".You are free to refuse to debate me. I am free to continue commenting on and condeming anti-Christian behavior and bigotry. Pray tell, how does one speak respectfully about bigotry? Are Christians expected to respect blasphemers?I have not said anything about you. I don't know you, have likely never met you, probably never will meet you. But I have commented on your behavior and on what you have said. If you wish to refute what I have said, go for it. Me too. After all, I love you the sinner, I just hate your sins.Remember, like Peter, you can change your behavior.

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No, I say that the behavior says that you are a bigot. It's behavior.And I don't say that you are the anti-christ (you flatter yourself) but that the behavior is anti-christ.It's about discrimination, oppression and bigotry. Behavior.How else can you describe denying people the right to access to health care?How else can you describe denying people the right to protection from domestic violence?How else can you describe denying people inheritance rights?How else can you describe denying people the same access to protection under divorce laws?You have never answered any of those questions. No, I do not insinuate. I state it as a fact. Yes, that is correct. It is discriminatory, oppressive and bigoted behavior.Again:How else can you describe denying people the right to access to health care?How else can you describe denying people the right to protection from domestic violence?How else can you describe denying people inheritance rights?How else can you describe denying people the same access to protection under divorce laws? AbE

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It is unlikely that you are going to change your behavior. I have done my best to try to show you where you are making errors in both behavior and understanding the message of Christianity.

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You will likely continue down the path you have chosen. Please remember, as so many Christians are fond of pointing out, that your actions will be judged.

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Matthew 25:31-46

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31: When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37: Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38: When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39: Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40: And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41: Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. This message has been edited by jar, 01-05-2005 19:11 AM

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No, let me give you some examples of harassment.Denying people the right to access to health care?Denying people the right to protection from domestic violence?Denying people inheritance rights?Denying people the same access to protection under divorce laws?

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You are right, but I stopped talking to him many post ago. There is no likelyhood of changing his behavior. There is a possibility though of reaching one or more other Christians. It is a very small possibility but until now, the loudest voices of Christianity, people like Oral Roberts, Gene Scott, Jim Bakker, Pat Robertson, Jimmy Swaggart and Jerry Falwell have been expounding their hate filled rhetoric without the rest of the Christian Community standing up and pointing out the inconsistencies.If Christianity is to have any relevance, we need to speak as loudly as the voices from the Christian Right. And in addition, we need to point to the consequences in very real human terms of those actions.The thread title is " The ulitmate sin: blasphemy against the Holy Ghost"IMHO, the actions of some supposed leaders of the Christian movement reflect that. When you use the word and authority of GOD to do evil, to do harm to fellow human beings, it is a Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.That is the issue. The symptom are those who in the name of faith, are led to behave in Un-Christian ways.

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I am not saying that the actions of those leaders are the sin, but that using the Authority of the Church to justify their actions is the sin.Paul claimed the Authority of the Church for his early actions against Christians. That may seem a quibble but I believe it is significant.The actions of those people I have listed as well as others is what I believe is BATH to use your acronym.I am quite sure other will disagree and we will not likely find out for sure. But I find it absolutely unbelievable that "ignoring the urging of the Holy Spirit and refusing to acknowledge Christ as your Lord and Savior" could even be a sin, much less an unforgivable one. Would you condemn an amoeba that refused to acknowledge your existence? Can you even imagine a real GOD that would even get upset by someone refusing to acknowledge his existence?GOD is not some bling-bling pimp daddy getting in your face because you disrespected him.

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Question.Where is Backwoods Hole, MD. I used to live on Blackhole Creek but never heard of Backwoods Hole. Well I can't imagine a heaven without the diversity we see in life around us.

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There is a new vaccine going into trials related to Diabetes. Link to infoas soon as I saw it i thought of your nephew. he's been in my prayers constantly since I heard his story.I hope you'll get your doctor to followup and see if he might be eligible to be in the trials.

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Well, as you know I don't see such things as any divine retribution crap. But I did want to at least make sure you guys are aware of it. I'll continue to pray for him and for everybody suffering from diabetes. Hopefully fifty years from now diabetes will be a memory (actually for many no longer even a memory) like polio.I'm sorry it didn't get to you as quickly as I hoped. I first sent is almost a month ago. I apologize for not following up sooner.

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You keep bring up things that are solely related to one individual and limited religious belief. You say things like marriage should have sanctity.Why should marriage have any sanctity?How can one marriage affect the sanctity of a different and seperate marriage?How can a civil secular marriage affect a religious marriage?

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Well, I sailed and wandered over most of the Eastern Shore and many of the little islands such as Tangiers. It was simply one I had never heard.Of course, the Eastern Shore that I knew is probably pretty much gone. It is a price of two bridges. And now back to our regularly scheduled discussion.

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