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how can any one religion make a valid claim to be the fundamental truth?

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Message 288 of 302 (181710)
01-29-2005 5:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 282 by nator
01-29-2005 9:07 AM

Re: Hiding in Vagueness
Well, I can "prove" my love to my family, by keeping my promises, showing affection, telling them I love them, etc.
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That would be the folk or common definition of "prove".
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I agree. That's love over time, as I was saying.
I'm still here almost one year later preaching to you.
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If you want to use the mathematical definition of "prove", then no, I don't think that love is applicable to that kind of proof
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Thank God.
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I can study the brain activity and various other physical and behavioral signs and markers that people display when they report feelings of love, and quantify and define and study love that way. Of course, studying love this way cannot determine if people are actually feeling love or not, only that the brain activity and behavior patterns are consistent with the predictions the researcher made of people who are feeling that emotion.
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We agree!
The rest I said about the TOL was just joking around.
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quote:True Love is everlasting, and it is not selfish. How can we prove Love without time?
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What do you mean by "prove" in this instance.
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By what you said, showing love over time is the real way.
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01-29-2005 5:57 PM 		Reply to: Message 283 by jar
01-29-2005 10:44 AM

Re: I think you are approaching a very important point...
It's not the written word that determines truth but the reality of actions.
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I am saying the truth determines the written word, and peoples actions are a whole other can of beans.
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If people misinterpret the written word, for whatever reason, is it the fault of the word, or the truth? Does it make the written word invalid?
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riVeRraT
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01-30-2005 7:03 AM 		Reply to: Message 290 by jar
01-29-2005 6:55 PM

Re: I think you are approaching a very important point...
Well, the bible was written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.
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Once you experience this Holy Spirit, you understand why. The Holy Spirit is the truth. It hasn't changed in 2000 years.
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The reason I do not get so hung up on the bible, and point more toward yourself for the truth, is because over the last 2000 years, there has been many translations, and I know there are errors in some versions of the bible. But it is still a good starting point.
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riVeRraT
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01-30-2005 7:05 AM 		Reply to: Message 291 by ohnhai
01-29-2005 7:27 PM

Re: I think you are approaching a very important point...
Christ was sent because despite everything, I think people still didn't get the point.
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You can't really compare then with now, can you?
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01-30-2005 7:08 AM 		Reply to: Message 292 by ohnhai
01-29-2005 9:00 PM

Re: What's in a name..
So which is it?
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Yes: I am absolutely right in my beliefs as to God without any doubt.
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Or
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Yes: I could be wrong in my clouded interpretation of the nature and truth of God.
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Yes, God is 100% truth, he has to be obviously.
Yes, my personal translation of him, and what is expected of me, could be wrong. That is my fault or man's, not God's.
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riVeRraT
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01-30-2005 7:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 293 by sidelined
01-29-2005 9:37 PM

Re: I think you are approaching a very important point...
Way to take things out of context.
Before I explain it to you, would you like to explain to me, just what he meant by that?
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This way you can answer your own question.
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