Legal Death, Legal Life, Personhood and Abortion

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I think I have to keep mentioning that if a woman is in danger, outside of the normal risks, then I am for saving the woman.

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Wow. Who knew that a ring on your finger could magically shield you from STD's and hurt feelings? Oh, wait.Do you know what effect your "abstience until marriage" initiatives are having, around the country? No, they're not stemming the unstoppable teenage libido. Instead, teens are getting married at earlier ages than they were before. They're getting married just to have sex.That's what your solution does, RR. It doesn't keep teens from playing around with something they're not ready for. It pushes them into committments that they're not mature enough to make.Yeah, sex can burn you, especially as a teenager. But jeez, the emotional cost of a failed sexual relationship is a hell of a lot less than the emotional cost of a failed marriage.Good going, religious conservatives.

We are getting away from the debate on the logical basis for abortion.

The same risk as you crossing the street. Should we kill all people who drive cars?

What a bunch of crap crash frog, and you know it. I think you talk from your anger sometimes.Having sex at an early age, or getting married to have sex is not an opinion of the "conservatives"You contradict yourself to much. Or is it, are you judging everyone now? To you even realize the implications of what you are saying?Both are bad, and relative to the person. People commit suicide for both those reasons, so which one is worse? Can you back this up?
Or are teens just running from failed marriages, to get a way from their parents. They are looking for love crash. That's what every child, and adult yearns for love.

I've been searching all day, but no I can't, and though it chaps my ass to do so, I'll withdraw the claim.Though I can certainly substantiate other negative effects of abstinence education, if you would like. Not sure that's on-topic, though. I do get angry, because religious social conservatives like you are literally destroying people's lives.

riVerratI do agree that youth can be hurt in relationships but I disagree that it is because of it being because of sex outside of marriage but,rather,from insufficient support systems in place from parents as to discussing with youth the consequences of their sexuality and the mutual emotional interplay between two people. Sex is easy the difficulty is the feelings we assign to the sexual acts as well as the differences in social and psychological makeup of individuals.My first personal sexual encounter was at the age of sixteen and I will be the first to admit that the parting was hard to deal with but I adjusted and found that it was in retrospect enriching and a great memory.The difficulty I had lay in not having a parent or friend to confide in and thus I had to work it out by trial and error.Now drugs in my view are a far greater harm that is not properly appreciated for the damage that can be done to people who are prone to addictive behaviour such as myself.This is far worse a problem than pre marital sex in my personal view for the precise reason that it was difficult in the extreme for me.Humans are not cut and dried and there are no simple answers to the interaction of people and their relations with other humans.One man's poison and all that stuff.

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Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.

I understand your anger, but if you ot to know me, and stop judging me from a few words on the internet, you might actually like me. I am not a social conservative. I am independant. I hated both choices for President last election.I am also pissed at 90% of Chirstians in this country, so we have something in common.Peace bro.

Gonna ask you a tough question now, I believe you will answer honestly.Do you think you carried the pain from that over to your next relationship, and possibly even to this day? Yes I agree.

That's not exactly a meaningful distinction when I see you advocating their exact social agenda - abstinence-only "education", restricting abortion, banning gay marriage, etc.All I know about your social views is what you've advocated here; what you've advocated is precisely the same agenda of the religious conservatives. I don't think you're a bad person, but we're clearly not on the same side, here.

Can I answer? Context: lost my virginity (at an embarassingly late age) via casual sex with an aquaintance. Absolutely not. I was somewhat bummed when I realized she was moving on to some other dude, but I got over it pretty quickly. Met my wife, too, and that was that.

riVeRrat No. I came to grips with those feelings and learned from them before I had another relationship. It has been my experience that there are lessons to be learned in even the most painful personal tragedies.
In the past I think that it may have been my level of comfort with being alone without companionship that allowed me to be somewhat objective with emotional pain.Living day to day thankful for the great family I have and knowing that my time is limited I have decided to let the shit slide on most everything{politicians piss me off in a huge way though}. I am in work that does not challenge me{construction} and I am to old to change careers{lack of money} but I am presently self studying in mathemetics and physics which at one time held a fascination for me.
I delight in being able to grasp the subtlties of some oncepts and the favourites list in my IE is crammed with science and math sites.I believe myself content and my greatest worry is how to manage to work for the rest of my life since there is no way in hell I could ever retire.Health issues with the wife keep her from working and there are no governmental social programs for her to fall back upon.
Like I have said before dance while the music plays and don't forget to thank the band.

Tell me abstinence, for many reasons not even relating to God is a bad thing?Abortion if necessary.There is no such thing as gay marraige, so how can I ban it?
They must have their own set of rules, so that they may have the eqivical rights as married people, but clearly the circumstances that can arise are not the same, that is why they need their own rules, it wouldn't be fair to them otherwise. Yea, but our destination is the same.

Well I was talking to sideline, but you can follow along and answer some more questions I am going to ask him. It's funny that you jumped in though.

Have you forgiven that person?
Did you make some sort of oath with yourself based on that experience? Yes, I agree completely. There is also other affects that happen to us as well. Ah ha! you do believe in hell, j/kIt's been my experience that once I started doing things for the Lord, that all of that could change, and you could indeed one day retire. I became much more sucessful once I started including the Lord's way in everything I do, from taking a frozen nut off a boiler, to dealing with a customer that won't pay. I have had a 99% customer satisfaction, and only one customer stiffed me $150 in the last 4 years since I started. My business grosses in the 6 figure range, and has been steady climbing.I owe it all to God, for it was him that has helped me. I can't even begin to list the things he has done for my business, way to specific, and out of the blue for it ever to be chance.Would you mind if I prayed for your wife, and your family? That's almost biblical, it's beatiful.