Right wing conservatives are evil? Well, I have evidence that they are.

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Why is this always the extent of your apologies? You're sorry that you refuse to try seeing things from a different perspective while maintaining your refusal to try seeing things from a different perspective (and indeed you admonish Lam for not accepting your refusal to try since it was couched in an "apology") and you're sorry that you've made yourself appear to be a bigot.

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Scroll.At this point your still not accepting what I have tried to get across. Looking at things from another perspective is a necessity for life in general, and my misrepresentation has brought you to this?

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A couple posts ago I listed about half a dozen bigoted statements from you, none of which you've apologized for. The only thing you're truly sorry about is that you tripped up and revealed yourself to be a wilfully ignorant bigot.

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Right now, I would ask for another chance, but that isn't what you want me to have, you're loving this, this is your chance to keep this thing going. Suit yourself.

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Okay, prop, I'm going to take your word for it that you mean no harm and that you are trying to be open-minded. But if that's true then you need to also understand that this statement right here is insulting and bigoted. Bigotry and prejudice are, to those of us whe are the targets of bigotry and prejudice, very important issues. They are in no way trivial.

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Another thing that got mixed up, when I said this is trivial, I was referring to the disscussion on homosexuals, when there are many more important things that we should be talking about.

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Was referring to the endless debates on whether or not homosexuality is good or evil. Or like the disscussion we had these past days, Natural. These matters, are trivial for me to partake in. They really don't apply to me, and I am happy that this squabble has come to a close. I like the idea of being friendly, sometimes it gets a little crazy in here. My main point is that by talking about it, we are treating homosexuals as something seperate, and different than other humans, I think you would agree that, that isn't good.

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My question was: "Did you use reason to decide what your sexual orientation is?

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The answer to that question would be a "yes" or a "no".

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Nope, through society's impact on me, and mainly a natural feeling about it, I sort of realized that I like girls.Almost less of a realization and more of a natural feeling.Why does it have to become personal though?This message has been edited by prophex, 04-02-2005 05:23 PM

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So can other animals.

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You can use a tool.

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So can lots of other animals.

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O yeah, tell your cat to send me an e-mail, could use some insight on his feelings about the meaning of life.Jokes aside, you have to be joking to actually argue this stuff.

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But that's due to your religious view.

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Really, how do you know?

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"Experience of the outside world" is EXACTLY what science is all about.

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Do you apply the scientific method when seeking out meaning and truth in this life?

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No, that's just a philosophy that is all inside your own head.

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So, you don't think that what actions I do matter? That what I do makes a difference, and effects the rest of the world no matter the size? Though what one does, life, reality as we know it changes, for them and us.

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Why do you think animals function like robots?

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What they do has less meaning, it sort of becomes tasks performed again and again, with less variation than the actions of humans, although humans sort of develop routines and become working robots themselves, what goes on is not only the task at hand.What makes you want to see other animals as equals? That can't be true, they can be fun, and helpers, but beyond that they are more a part of nature, that we simply cannot be apart of. We are outside of it, and have built barriers, although it leaks through and remains still very much a part of us, we are still seperated.What does OTOH mean?

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I said "why complain"
You thought this meant about homosexuality.
You complained...
About "waving around that wonderful population genetics knowledge you supposedly had"
I say to you sir, let it be, let it be, let it be. -The Beatles

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So can you understand that homosexuality is not a choice? You didn't choose heterosexuality, you just found that you were in fact heterosexual. Same with me, I never made a choice. This is just who I am. I am not attracted to girls, just as you are not attracted to boys. You wouldn't be able to "choose" homosexuality because it isn't you. Likewise, I would never be able to "choose" heterosexuality because it isn't me.

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I understand. Schraf likes to play games and not go straight to the point by asking personal questions.

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And you never bothered to question how or why you started liking girls. You should be aware that just the thought of being with a girl makes me want to vomit. In my early days, I never understood why people liked girls. I think you are currently in the same mindset. You think in an egocentric way: I like girls, therefore it must be the natural way for everyone. I like pizza, therefore Chinese people are unnatural because they don't like pizza.

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I'm sorry for your bad experiences with girls.

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You're young, so you need to realize that not everyone like the same food as you do.

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Yeah, you're right. But people aren't food. And it's much more complex than that. But yeah, I def see your point. I had no right to really judge any of you for what you all say a not chosen preference.

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lol

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The escape exists within ourselves, not within the bank account's numbers of papers.