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JimSDA Inactive Member |
Dead Parrot, I just answered the questions about the Golden Calf Altar in a message I just posted to Jar (I'm going to start calling him "Jar Jar" like the simpleton in Star Wars because if he can't understand why the guys carved inappropriate petroglyphs onto the rocks, he's really not so bright) --
Others have answered the Turkey being secular or Moslem issue. You may place a great importance upon archaeolgogists having "credentials," but God seems to be willing to use people even if they don't have credentials -- Ron Wyatt was just an amateur archaeologist and this worked to his benefit because he wasn't "brain-washed" by the educational system that keeps wanting to turn out people who believe in the errors of evolution and all sorts of other malarky! Sometimes education is good, but often it is a detriment! Dr. Moller KNOWS other professional archaeologists -- that, plus a lifelong interest in the field can mean that Dr. Moller is quite competent in the field even though he may not have credentials! Look at the 2022 -app website and see the list of people who worked with Dr. Moller on the up coming 2-hr Exodus documentary film! He hangs with professionals!!! He hangs with people who award the Nobel Prizes in Sweden!!!! Get the point? Regarding Noah's Ark, Ron's site is NOT the wrong size -- if you read his material, the 515 feet length is supported by the longer Royal Egyptian Cubit -- so the Ark is not 450 feet, they use the shorter Hebrew cubit -- but Moses was raised in Egypt, he knew their cubit, and Moses wrote the Flood story in Exodus. The Hebrew cubit was not standardized until around 500 years after Moses died. (This information has been published for over a decade by Ron, I guess you missed it . . . ) The formation/ruins of Noah's Ark is clearly in a massive ancient mud flow -- the very first pictures printed in LIFE magazine in 1960 clearly show this! (I guess you never looked at our websites, Ron's been sharing this since 1977 . . . ) Dave Fasold had some weird ideas about the boat, first was he thought it was a giant reed boat (see the cover of his book)! IT WASN'T A GIANT REED BOAT! So Dave separated himself from Ron, and because he did so he got caught being unable to explain why the ice-fractured rib timbers along the side of the formation seemed to "vanish" when he tried to show them to an Australian TV camera crew -- so Dave seemed to "loose the bet" that he had with them. In a moment of weakness he admitted defeat -- but before he died he reaffirmed that he still believe it was the ark! How did Noah produce the Titanium alloy? Hey, we don't know! All we DO know is that modern science did not know how to make it until some time in the 1950s or there abouts -- so the evidence seems to show that the Anitdeluvians had an special knowledge about working with metals! As for only Ron finding artifacts, that's not true -- the Turks found stuff out there, they just haven't ever published about it. They've been withholding things, just like Ron and W.A.R. has withheld certain sensitive things! Ron's widow just published a new Noah's Ark hardcover book, but she kept certain things out of it -- it's just not the right time to share it all. There, I've answered your questions. Whether you like the answers or not.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I'm sorry Jim, but in addition to not answering even ONE of the questions asked, your answer is so absurd as to be laughable.
Now once again, please answer the questions I've asked. If you have forgotten them, they can be found in Message 55 as well as many, many other posts. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
(I'm going to start calling him "Jar Jar" like the simpleton in Star Wars because if he can't understand why the guys carved inappropriate petroglyphs onto the rocks, he's really not so bright) -- And the first time you do call him that, or the next time you make such remarks you will not be posting for 24 hours.
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JimSDA Inactive Member |
AdminNosy, will you please tell Jar that I just DID answer his question?
If the people on this forum are just here to play crazy-making mind games with others, it makes them look ridiculous -- and it also reflects on the administrators who let them post those kinds of messages. Tell Jar I answered him! And I'll try not to stutter when I say his name . . . This message has been edited by JimSDA, 05-04-2005 10:59 AM
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
It is up to you and Jar to sort out why he doesn't think the questions are answered.
You might both have to be very detailed and specific to clear things up.
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JimSDA Inactive Member |
You mean to tell me that Jar is not one of your long-time buddies?
He seems to be someone who lives on this EvC forum full time and has done so for years -- as if this is his one and only duty in life, being here to post 8 million messages and control the message threads as he sees fit to satisfy his ego and biases -- Are you sure he's not one of your old-time buddies?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
One problem with the "evidence" is that all of it seems to be either unsupported assertions or inadequately explained interpretations. For instance what is the basis for the claim that Noah actually used titanium alloys ? Is 1.92% of titanium in the sample (in oxide form) enough to conclude that it was orginally composed of titanium alloy ?
The other problem is that when claims can be examined they turn out to be either questionable - as in the case of Wyatt's claim to be the original discoverer of the ivory pomegranate as mentioned in message 1 of this thread - or strongly contradicted by the evidence - such as the attempt to rewrite Egyptian history discussed at length on this board.
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
You do seem to have an unfortunate tendancy to change the subject when pressed.
Perhaps you actually haven't answered the questions. The way to handle this situation is to ask Jar just what question he thinks you haven't answered. To ask him to explain what answers (if any at all) he thinks you may have attempted to give and to ask him specifically why he thinks the answers are not adequate. Then you may respond when you understand just where he misunderstands. Jar has been here a long while. He has demonstrated an ability to carry on an intellectual discussion in a reasonable manner with many different individuals. On the other hand it is not clear that you have yet demonstrated such an ability. If you continue to ignore the guidelines you agreed to you will be given a first, short suspension. (I'll check back in a hour or two).
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JimSDA Inactive Member |
Jar, so clarify the question you want me to answer.
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ramoss Member (Idle past 641 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
What is funny is that the Ivory pomogranet has been shown to be a forgery. Funny how the Ron Wyatt supporters have not gotten the word
yet. Page Unavailable - ABC News This message has been edited by ramoss, 05-04-2005 11:25 AM
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
I guees you missed the start of the thread. Yes, the likelihood that it is a forgery is one of the reasons why it is highly unlikely that Wyatt's claim to have found it is true.
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JimSDA Inactive Member |
The latest news on the ivory pomegranate is in the current issue of B.A.R. magazine -- Hershal Shanks offered to buy the pomegranate from the Israel Museum for their cost, $550,000 -- but they turned him down.
They say that the pomegrante IS of the proper time period, but just that the inscription on it is fake. When it is time to show the Ark of the Covenant to the world, we will know if Ron really found that pomegranate in that cave like he claims -- because Ron said that he broke off one of the tips and he left it in the cave! Before you get all angry about him "defacing" ancient relics, God told him to do it -- and frankly, God owns that pomegranate!
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Brian Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi Arach,
there's some disputed references to a group of people called "habiru" or "ibiru" or "apiru." might even be the origin of the name "hebrew" but i'm not sure. The Hebrew/apiru/abiru connection was broken almost 70 years ago. In 1939 it was shown that the consonantal element of the word ‘ha-bi-ru’, had to be recognised as '-p-r, which meant that all etymologies dependent on the root HBR were excluded, and corresponding attempts with ‘BR and the ‘ibrim became uncertain. The word ‘Apiru itself is not of Hebrew origin, and, of course, the Hebrew word for ‘Hebrew’ is ibrim. The origin of the word itself is not known for certain as there is no certainty as to the language (NW Semitic, Hurrian, etc.) or the verbal root from which the sociopolitical technical term (‘Apiru) was originally drawn (Gottwald, N. K. (1979) The tribes of Yahweh : a sociology of the religion of liberated Israel, 1250-1050 B.C.E, SCM Press, London, page 41). The general characteristic of the ‘Apiru turns out to be sociopolitical rather than ethnic or economic. They cannot be characterised as ethnically homogeneous in any one location, nor are they tied to any single economic activity throughout the Near East. In short, an ‘Apiru could have been a Hittite, Hurrian, Phoenician, or almost any other nationality of the ancient near east, they were not identified by their ethnicity, in other words the term ‘Apiru denotes a social stratum. Since the term ‘Apiru has been shown to refer to a social stratum, the equation of the term with the Hebrews is untenable as the Hebrews are said to be an ethnic group. More problematic for the equation is the fact that the Bible suggests that the whole of ‘Israel’ came out of Egypt, however, the ‘Apiru are now attested to in a large variety of sources from different times and places. For example, 1. In Mesopotamia, they are in evidence through the periods of Ur III, 1 Babylon, and after; in the Nuzi texts (fifteenth century) they play an especially prominent role. 2. Documents from Mari (eighteenth century) and Alalakh (seventeenth and fifteenth centuries) attest their presence in Upper Mesopotamia throughout the patriarchal age. 3. In Anatolia, the Cappadocian texts (nineteenth century) knew them, as did those of Boghazkoy (fourteenth century). 4. They are also mentioned in the Ras Shamra texts (fourteenth century). 5. Egyptian documents of the Empire period (fifteenth to twelfth century) refer to them, both as foes and rebels in Asia and as bondsmen in Egypt. 6. The Amarna letters (fourteenth century), where they appear in Palestine and adjoining areas as disturbers of the peace, are the best witness to them of all. (Bright, S. J. (1972) A history of Israel, SCM Press, London. page 92) John Bright goes on to conclude that obviously, a people found all over western Asia from the end of the third millennium to about the eleventh century cannot lightly be identified with the ancestors of Israel! (Ibid: 92). The 'apiru simply wasn't an ethnic identifier, it could not have been equated with Hebrew.
there's some stuff down at the bottom of this page Thanks for the link. It is interesting how selective scholars can be when they are hoping to sell books. I found the Rohl quote particularly enlightening. Thanks again. Brian.
{Added some blank lines. - Adminnemooseus} This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 05-04-2005 01:17 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Some pretty simple ones.
Those would be a good start. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Brian Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Can anyone have a go at answering these?
Brian.
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