Wyatt's Ark of the Covenent

I have changed my avatar in honer of this wacky thread! May the joy come again and again!

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PecosGeorge, the same goes for you -- let's hear what all you've managed to get onto national TV!
Show us how "easy" it is!

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I'll give ya a holler when I have perfected a charlatanity!

What I can't understand is how in the world do they use getting on TV justification?I mean seriously, you can't belive anything you watch!Also, saying that wyatt got on PBS or CNN dosn't tell you any of the context. For all we know thet could have just taken a sound bite or mentiond wyatt in passing.I mean seriously.They put that 'psychic' guy on TV, does that mean he can realy talk to the dead?

wmscott,.I just sent you a massive email with about 6 attachments. Be prepared to adjust your opinions on the hebrew definitions of "on" the Ark of the Covenant, etc. You're stuck in old-school tradition...It's time to read the truth in the email. Please read all the material openly and honestly as there are volume fulls to cover.

Yaro,Even scientists such as Baumgardner who knew Ron personally do not believe he was a "psychic" guy. In fact, just about everyone who knew him personally admits that he was in his right mind. Not only that, he was known for his friendliness and kind spirit. When news reporters asked him questions, he would always stop and take the time to answer ALL their questions...even when he was tired and drained...He lived a life of great sacrifice, and barely scraped the funds to make the trips he made to the Middle East. He was a very poor man.Baumgardner in an interview not too long go was asked if he had anything good to say about Ron Wyatt. Baumgardner answered along one of these lines: "He was the most generous man I ever knew..."And also Yaro, my judgment is based after seeing a total of about 30-40 videos of Ron Wyatt speak, talk to news reporters, speak in interviews, and answer people's questions at the airport as he flew in...not to mention numerous videos of people testifying to the validity of many of his claims...He wasn't a liar, nor was he a fraud. It's what the world wants you to think, and sadly, you're falling for it. But in the end, the truth will shine.This message has been edited by Lysimachus, 05-09-2005 11:37 PM

Hahaha...edit: The other avatar definately looked better...This message has been edited by Hangdawg13, 05-09-2005 11:50 PM

It doesn't surprise me that much. I've seen creationists get their information from some very questionable sources. TV looks like an almost credible alternative when compared to these. TV networks need people to watch them, so if they identify a market they will cater for it. As long as there are people silly enough to sit in the audience or watch that psychic guy on tv, it doesn't actually matter whether he really can talk to the dead or not. Same thing in the case of Wyatt. It doesn't matter whether it's true or if the guy was a complete nutter, there are a lot of people who would watch it. Believers would because, to their way of thinking, it backs up their beliefs. Non-believers also, for amusement value.Basically, you're right. It's best not to put too much faith in what you see on the TV.

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On the 7th day, God was arrested.

Lysimachus,I know I joke alot, and poke fun. But I would like to make something clear:While I don't belive a word of Wyatts, nor the validity of his work, I don't doubt that he was a kind a well meaning person. I know that you and JimSDA were personal friends of the man and because of that are inclined to defend him all the more.My personal assesment of Wyatt was that he was a kind, well meaning man, out for glory fame an wealth (It dosn't make you a bad person to want those things!).He wanted so badly to find the things he was searching for that he ended up deluding himself. I don't think he was deliberatly trying to decive anybody, I think he really convinced himself of his outlandish stories.A long time ago when we ran thrugh this debate, I remember comming across an article where an individual whent on an expidition with wyatt and concluded much the same thing I did. Wyatt was self deluded, caught up in his own dream.Here is the link: http://www.ldolphin.org/wyatt1.htmlAnd a relevant quote block:

Indeed, and again I am the only one of your opponents who has agreed that there is evidence of all these things!.Having said that, of course, the evidence thatis presented is not of a decent standard. It does not stand up to critical historical enquiry. For example, there is far too much that is taken as being true without adequate support. The crossing at the red sea (which is not the sea mentioned in the Bible) is a great example of this. Everything associated with this event are empty statements. There is no critical enquiry at all, no evidence of Israelites in Egypt, no chronological support, no evidence that Israelites were at Aqaba, and the Bible narrative itself contradicts Ron's fantasy.Yes, there is evidence of all of these finds, but the evidence is chronically poor. Ron's accounts are simply childlike and severely lacking in academic quality. if Ron had any training at all in history or archaeololgy he would probably been able to string together coherent hypotheses. But, then again, if he had any training in history or archaeology hw would see how pointless all of these stories are. So, you believe that Ron was a prophet of Yahweh? Why?I mean, what if we did find some decent evidence that supports Israelites in Egypt, or thousands of Egyptian soldiers at the bottom of the Sea of Reeds (not the Red Sea as Ron incorrectly asserts), or we find direct evidence of Moses' existence, what difference would it make?You do know, that in terms of archaeological methodology, that finding a boat in the Mountains of Ararat, even if it had 'Noah' emblazoned on its side, only supports the hypothesis that at one time someone built a boat and put the word 'Noah' on the side of it. This find DOES NOT prove that there was an historical Noah, it doesn't prove that there was a Flood, it doesn't prove that all the animals went into this ark, it doesn't prove that there is a God, it doesn't prove anything else except there's a boat there.Just say that there is a boat where Ron imagines there is one, how do we know that this wasn't constructed a long time ago by an ancient 'Ron Wyatt'?Jim, you were curator of a museum, have you no training in any related subject at all. Don't take this as an insult, it is just an observation, but you *appear* to have a very niave view of what history and archaeology actually is. Your view, for example, that stories about angels verify the existence of angels displays a non-critical approach to evidence that no competent scholar in any related field would take.Any historian, or archaeologist, HAS to deliberately tackle ALL of the evidence, they have to argue in their research why their particular interpretation of the evidence is the best one. They CANNOT ignore contrary evidence, they NEED to include it and deal with it adequately because any peer who reviews their work will highlight the problems that the researcher may have ignored. Now, it could be that the researcher is unaware of a certain piece of evidence and this is where peer review is essential as it gives the researcher a chance to tackle the apparent problem before they present their paper at a conference or to a publisher. They have been in the open for 25 years, and have all crumbled under critical enquiry.Have you ever wondered why no respectable scholar is using Ron's 'evidence' in any of the quality acadedmic journals?Brian.

Apart from Ron's 'talking hand', i think the highlight has got to be Ron's picture of the Ark of the Covenant.It looks more like my cat's litter tray.Ron's finds are great comic value, it is just a pity that there are some people who take Ron's work seriously.We defo need more Wyatt threads, it is a great way to relax during lunch hour.Oh, and you should patent that avatar! Brian.

Yaro, you quoted Bernard Brandstater's report of going on the AofC dig with Ron, and, as you noticed, Bernard mentioned my name in his write up --I sent e-mails to Brandstater to try to explain why they did "not" get into the cave where Ron says the AofC is located, but Brandstater still seems to want to focus on the group's "failure" to get into the cave --There were about 10 other helpers along on that dig, and most of them were not Christians -- they were just nice guys helping Ron on his adventure --If any of those people had gotten into the cave with the Ark, there is a good chance that God would have STRUCK THEM DEAD! So to make sure this did not happen, God arranged it so that the group did not manage to find a second entrance into the cave!Believe it or not, God does not like killing people -- but as you have read elsewhere on this thread, 16 people have died over the years when they attempted to interfer with this dig! The 6 Levittes who went into the tunnel in their attempt to move the AofC out of the cave and out of Arab territory all dropped dead in the tunnel and Ron helped the Israeli authorities remove the bodies from the tunnel -- so who knows how many of the 10 people on Ron's team might have DIED if Ron had managed to get into the cave on this dig?Brandstater was a Christian, his heart would have been right with the Lord -- but the others were just your regular secular un-repentant worldly everyday sinners -- the type of person whom God will probably NOT let walk into the presense of the most holy Ark of the Covenant!So God SAVED THEIR LIVES by not letting them into the cave, and Bernard Bradstater should be THANKING God that they were prevented from getting into the cave on that trip!We might be here telling how 26 people have died while working on the AofC dig instead of only 16 having died!

Yaro, this is NOT a "wacky thread" --Whether we are discussing the details of the evidence of Ron's discoveries, or the psyhological make up of the people criticizing the discoveries, the entire discussion has its merits!It's just as important for people to understand "why" they are negative against the discoveries as it is for them to understand the evidence --This material was mocked on this forum a year or two ago, and the lesson for everyone here to learn (becuase we basically have the same old people here trying once again to hack the discoveries apart) is that "TIME" HAS NOT LET THE DISCOVERIES GO AWAY!The scientists and the people who admire the discoveries are still working with them, and they will CONTINUE to work with them because they are impressed that they are the real things -- and who knows, if they continue working with them THEY MIGHT FINALLY FIND THE PIECE OF EVIDENCE THAT YOU NEED TO SEE TO CONVINCE YOU OF THE DISCOVERIES!So let's try to take an attitude of encouraging us to continue the work, OK?

Nor has anyting new or convincing come up. Come back when you've found it.

I can just see the article in the Journal of Archaeological Science (actually thinking about the content maybe Endeavour would be better).

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ABSTRACT: The experiences of the 12 men on Ron Wyatt's Noah's Ark expedition of 19XX who were saved from certain death by the all-powerful christian God. The narrative explores how God saved those men by confusing the mind of Ron Wyatt. The morale of the men in the face of extreme exposure to the elements, the ingenuity of God's tricks all reveal the heroic qualities of Ron Wyatt.

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Because that's what it amounts to.....This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 10-May-2005 11:08 AM

I would say that woudl be true of many people. I can name a few other 'archelogists' that are in that catagory today. Ron Wyatt is just the most deluded of them.