Pat Robertson shows again why the Christian Right is such a laughingstock

OKI am not going to "quibble" over vowel/wovel/"t-sound" or "r-sound" as in "our" or "out".It is true I did not actually see or here the BBC report (that time) but I did hear him SAY, "take"-"out". I just tried to lighten things up a bit because the reports seemed more dramatic than the sound of his voice. Listening to the Bush admins distance themselves is even MORE painful to listen for. I was suprised to hear him say that but for some reason I have never really surfed up into his program with a remote even though I have thought about doing so on many occassions.

Exactly what do you think "go ahead and do it" means in the context of the above quote? What is the "it" that Robertson is talking about?Hey, I have been watching him every night on 700 club, 'cause he has been getting more looney recently. I told my wife that he was due to say something noteworthy soon. Too bad I missed it this time, had to work.

I cannot speak intelligently about the man. I only know Rev. Robertson considers him to be a menace. However, if he is truly a democratically elected official, then you are correct that it is not our place to depose the man. On the other hand, if he is a thug, a communist who remains in power by other than democratic means in a democracy, then we have a right, possibly a duty, to voice opposition to that circumstance. It depends on how he maintains his hold on power, doesn't it?

I, too, am a Christian & a conservative, American woman. I wrote 3 posts today #'s 36, 38 & 39. Did you happen to catch them? They condemn Rev. Robertson in the strongest terms. I don't know anybody in my circle of friends & acquaintenances who doesn't. Simply appalling. He deserves to be shunned.This message has been edited by FairWitness, 08-24-2005 07:15 PM

Screwed up the syntax. Sorry.This message has been edited by Lizard Breath, 08-24-2005 07:34 PM

You speak correctly.Pat Robertson has just proved how completely ineffective he is as a Christian and how far out of the pocket he has drifted to achieve his status as a Conservative Talking Head.This supports what the Bible says of how far and fast people can sink into the depths of depravity when they become more full of themselves than for the love of God and the things of God.There is nothing to fear from this type of Pat Robertson or anyone else who is parading around calling themselves Christians but acting like him.The Pat Robertson or any Christian for that matter to be fearful of and to hate is the one who would instead lead long prayer vigils to pray for this leader and that his heart would be softened and opened to the things of God. This type of action is what melts the hearts of people and allows God to speak to them.That from my experience is when you witness dramatic change within society, and that is what scares the crap out of the godless who perpetuate the craziness in society but proport it as modern enlightened thinking.If I was one who hated Christians, I would be laughing at how badly Robertson has disqualified himself as a tool of God, but I would be scared shitless of someone who came into the spotlight who espoused a 2 week prayer marathon for the heart and soul of Hugo Chavez to come to Christ.Robertson has succeeded in hardening hearts even further but the truly committed Christians are determined to act in a way that softens them.

I think you misunderstand.I know he meant murder - or assassinate to be pedantic - but he didn't say the word murder.I was being picky in response to Brad being picky. I used to watch the 700 Club occassionally back in the '80s and '90s when I was in the States - if he's even more looney now it must be hilarious (if you ignore the dark scary side of his ravings).The most amazing thing in all this is that Brad posted two replies to me which I just about understood

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I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then

Listen to his words. If there is no love in them -- there is no God in them.I don't know whether or not he was ever on track but as so often happens; power and influence corrupt, and the message he is presenting is IMHO a corrupted message.

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Everybody is entitled to my opinion.

Well I really don't want to open a huge can of worms here and there's already been at least one thread on this subject anyway, but I have to say that not ALL of the Christian Community condemns Pat Robertson for his remarks about the meaning of natural disasters as God's judgment.So as not to be misunderstood, let me emphasize in bold letters that I agree with you about the assassination remark. There IS consensus that his call to assassinate Chavez was irresponsible and it has been roundly condemned by every Christian I'm aware of. However, the Biblical view of the sovereignty of God is that NOTHING WHATEVER happens without Him and that includes every kind of disaster, and that all terrible things that happen in this world are on account of sin -- not specific sins as it is pretty much impossible to know the specific cause of any particular event, just sin in general, ever since the Fall in Eden. The practice of idolatrous religions may be a very good reason to suppose that they are the cause of a particular disaster in a region known for those practices however, but our job is to give aid and comfort to all sufferers of such disasters nevertheless as we all are sinners. The Book of Job for instance teaches both God's sovereignty in human suffering and the moral requirement of comforting the afflicted. I for one believe that America is due for some unpleasant times because of our abandonment of our Christian roots. So I have to support Robertson on that point of doctrine. In general he represents a branch of the church that I don't identify with but he is right about this.This message has been edited by Faith, 08-24-2005 08:15 PM

"Taking" anything would result in killing.Killing is sin.Don't think as an American, think as a person.

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It is easier to just collectively bully the wealth out of the masses....a very unchristian solution that Jesus DOES NOT like!

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So lets not do that. Or if that will happen, lets not support it.

I don't believe this is sound doctrine.What about Jesus and the blind man? That is not the reason he gave and he had the opportunity to say that if it were so.John 9
1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?"
3"Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life.

I was clear that it doesn't always mean there is a specific sin for a specific suffering. I meant it in the general sense that "the wages of sin is death" and death entered the world with the sin of Adam and Eve and has increased since then. Death includes every kind of death including disease and disaster, and all of us suffer it throughout our lives, having inherited it from who knows where and having no way to explain why one of us has one kind of suffering and someone else a different kind. But generally speaking we do inherit sin and its consequences, from distant ancestors even, as implied in the statement about the sins of the fathers coming down to the third and fourth generations. But in individual cases you can't ever say that someone is suffering for a particular sin. There is no way to know, and Jesus said God's glory in healing the man was the point. Also, there is a Pharisaical tendency to abuse people for their sins that Jesus always wanted to quell among the people, as He came not to save the righteous but sinners, so in a sense he is simply refusing to explain the man's blindness at all, only using it as an opportunity to demonstrate the grace of God.This message has been edited by Faith, 08-25-2005 12:40 AM

Quote: Well how about this -- Karl testified under oath before the investigating committee that he was not the source of the leak.So he LIED UNDER OATH...I seem to remember someone else who lied under oath and about sex, not a violation of national security.Good things the Republicans were such staunch supporters of Clinton, otherwise you'd look like a bunch of hypocrits

jar Seems to me like he has his wits about him. Being as he is a teleevangilist the best way to get ratings and drive up his exposure and therefore his profits is to engage in such controversy.
Makes perfect business sense but as a human being he really is a waste of flesh.

This is correct. "Left" leaning ideology is why Sweden has such a horrible health care system. Oh, wait, I'm sorry, they're kicking our butt.So, your response should be - but we are a much more significant economic power. But, I counter by pointing out that it's our natural resources that make us stronger. Sweden isn't exactly a bread basket, unless they find a way to export snow.Meanwhile, let's look at the very successful right leaning countries - Syria, Iran, North Korea...Wait, that list looks awful familiar. Oh, right, Axis of evil.I keep seeing "Christians" claiming that Robertson doesn't speak for them. Well, he sure speaks for some of you. The Christian Coalition wields enormous power in DC. And, their possitions on issues social and political are just as poorly thought out as the ones PR is spouting.