Why NOT Christ Lineage through Joesph's boodline, Instead of Judah's

You said a lot fo things.Except for the claim that 'God can do anything he wants', what is anything that is relavent to the blood line of the messiah and the bloodline of Joseph?You said that SOlmon had 300 wives, and a bunch of concubines..So, how does that deny the fact that the line of the David has to go through him according to the verses I had provided? How does that counter the verses that Joseph (according to Matthew) came from a cursed line?It doesn't.

The Rabbi's claim otherwise.And, according to the lineage in Moses, Jesus is disqalified because he is through a cursed line anyway..After all in 1 Chronicials it says

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1 Chronicles 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days. [10] He shall build a house for my name; and he shall be My son, and I [will be] his Father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever. (KJV)

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This means that it has to go through solomon.And as for Jesus's line through Jeconiah, we can look at Jeremiah 22:24

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Jeremiah 22:24 [As] I live, saith the LORD, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence; [25] And I will give thee into the hand of them that seek thy life, and into the hand [of them] whose face thou fearest, even into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of the Chaldeans. [26] And I will cast thee out, and thy mother that bare thee, into another country, where ye were not born; and there shall ye die. [27] But to the land whereunto they desire to return, thither shall they not return. [28] [Is] this man Coniah a despised broken idol? [is he] a vessel wherein [is] no pleasure? Wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not? [29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD. [30] Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man [that] shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

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Thus, according to the bible, the Messiah has to be though solomon, and can not be through Jeconiah.

Well, you seem to be hung up with Solomon having all those wives and conumbines.That was a matter of prestige in that time period. You are misreading everything.None of what I said is 'desperation' it is just what is in the bible.I know that the conclusion is not what you want.Cursed means.. that line is prohibited from producing an annointed one , i.e. king, i.e. mosishe.Mary's line is totally irrelavent, because 1) Neither of the lineages given in Luke or Matthew is through her, and 2) it wouldn't matter anyway, since the lineage of the king has to go through an unbroken male line.You can believe what you want about Jesus, but the stories in Matthew and Luke, aside from contradicting each other, also contradict the Jewish laws on the lineage of Kings. Besides, because of the fact Mary is the cousin of John the Baptists mother, that shows she was a levite, and not of the davidic lineage.

Why, I gave you that, several times.The fact you refuse to acknowledge it is totally besides the point.The 'counter arguements' you gave do not counter the passages I gave for that.

Might I point out Numbers 1:20-46, that specifically mention that offspring are counted by 'the houses of their fathers'.

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1) It was first mentioned in 1 Kings, as far as I know.2) The belief of those Orthodox Jews who believe the Messiah will come will be decended from David through Solomon , but not from the line of Jeconiah. Some conservative and many Reform Jewish congregation don't believe there is going to be a 'star messiah', but rather a 'messanic age' that should be worked towards. The messiah will be known for the
works he is able to accomplish, such as world peace, getting all the Jews back to Israel, and getting the study of Torah as center of all religions (Pretty tall order there). Until all those tasks are accomplished, the Messiah will not have come.3)Unbroken means from father to son, without gaps because of no male offspring, and no adoptions. The line will go from father to son to that son to that son .etc etc.. with no interruption of the father/son lineage.

He was, but because of the fact he was such a BAD king, his offspring was removed from the line of David forever.That was the point of the passages I quoted earlier.

It was the actions of Jeconiah that cause his continuation to be restricted from the kingly line.

The orthodox Jews feel that the line is permantly cursed.

That is the CHristian explaination to reconcile the lineage. However, that is not the Jewish belief.

The problem with that is the Zerubbabel never became King. He had great power yes, but he was never king.THe prohibition still held true

The only thing the 'curse' did is prohibit people from becoming the King of Israel..The person in question did not become king.SImple as that.

You should realise that Brian is correct. Isaiah 7:14 has nothing to do with Jesus what so ever. Not only is the word "ALMAH" not meaning virgin, but the person to whom refers to is identified in Isaiah 8:3, and the "signs from god" is identified in Isaiah 8:18.Isaiah was refering to his own wife, and his own son.

Not if you read it in context.If the woman in question was a secucutal virgin when the prediction was made, she was not a virgin by the time it was fullfilled. (not that almah means virgin in any case).The key phrase that follows that young woman is in Isaiah 8:4."I went unto the prophetess and she conceived and bore a son". In other words, Isaiah went ot his wife and, through normal means, got her pregnant. A reinforcement of this interpretation comes at isaiah 8:18Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.So, Isaiah is saying that the signs given to Ahaz are Isaiah himself, and his children. The young woman in 7:14 is his wife.
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