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Author Topic:   Why NOT Christ Lineage through Joesph's boodline, Instead of Judah's
ringo
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Message 155 of 184 (301122)
04-05-2006 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by dancer
04-05-2006 11:21 AM


dancer writes:
Since Matthew wrote in Greek, he certainly knew how to translate words from one language to another.
Excuse me? How does that follow? Even if Matthew knew everything there was to know about Greek, his translation from the Hebrew could still be utterly inaccurate.
(I'm also curious as to how you think quoting Matthew - in English - supports your point. The English translation from the Greek could also be utterly inaccurate.)

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Message 157 of 184 (301155)
04-05-2006 1:16 PM
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04-05-2006 12:45 PM


dancer writes:
... why should we believe in the accuracy of anything written!
That's exactly what I'm asking you. Why should we "take it for granted" that Matthew's Hebrew-to-Greek translation was accurate? Why should we "take it for granted" that the Greek-to-English translations are accurate?
I replied to your Message 152, in which you replied to Message 151. That message points out that the English word "virgin" is not an accurate translation of the Hebrew word "almah". Somewhere along the line, Hebrew-to-Greek or Greek-to-English, an error did occur.
If we do not take it for granted that the writer knew what he wanted to write and how to write it, there is no point in participating in this conversation.
Around here, you'll find that the conversation more often hinges on what we don't agree on. If we took such things for granted, there wouldn't be any basis for conversation.
(By the way, this is getting rather far away from the topic of Jesus' lineage.)

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Message 160 of 184 (301176)
04-05-2006 1:48 PM
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04-05-2006 1:37 PM


dancer writes:
Do you at least believe that the original text included exactly what the prophet meant to say?
What "original text" would that be? Do we have the "original text" in the prophet's own handwriting? Or do we have just copies of copies of copies? Every time it was copied there was another chance of error creeping in.
Where do you suppose the almah/virgin error arose? Hebrew-to-Hebrew copying? Hebrew-to-Greek translation? Greek-to-Greek copying? Greek-to-English translation?

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Message 162 of 184 (301231)
04-05-2006 3:58 PM
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04-05-2006 2:44 PM


dancer writes:
If you believe that there is no way these texts can tell us anything...
I didn't say the texts can't tell us anything. I said we can't assume a priori that Matthew knew what he was talking about. We have to compare what Matthew said with everything else we know to make an informed decision.
... why are we having this conversation?
To correct your misconceptions.
Now, can we get to Jesus' lineage?

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Message 165 of 184 (301290)
04-05-2006 5:35 PM
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04-05-2006 5:12 PM


dancer writes:
In case you haven't noticed I am not the one who brought up the subject of the virginity of Christ's Mother, so do not blame me for not focusing on the original subject.
I'm not blaming you. I'm just trying to remind you that the topic of this thread is Jesus' lineage, not His mother's supposed virginity or the general accuracy of the gospels. If you want to talk about a different topic, find an existing one or start your own.
... the burden of my misconception is not on your shoulders.
Ah, but it is. I can leave no misconception un-shot-at.

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Message 168 of 184 (301303)
04-05-2006 6:00 PM
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04-05-2006 5:56 PM


dancer writes:
I hate to feel that I am adding to your ego.
No worries. My friend arachnophilia (among others) makes sure I don't get over-inflated.

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