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Author Topic:   Gay marraige and the end of the world
nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 134 of 195 (279631)
01-17-2006 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 110 by riVeRraT
01-16-2006 11:05 PM


Re: History
quote:
But ever here the expression, lets get married and have kids?
Yes.
Ever hear the expression, "I love you and want to spend the rest of my life with you"? Notice what isn't a part of that statement?
quote:
Lets just leave out the kids part, because we don't want any, we are too busy with ourselves, and our careers.
"Let's have a whole bunch of kids when we get married, because we don't care about the fact that the earth is overpopulated, or that there are thousands of unwanted children waiting for loving homes. We only care about making our own, because all those other kids, and the Earth, are unimportant. We only care about our little family and breeding as much as possible."
Do you see how I can misrepresent your attitude just as easily as you misrepresent mine? Do you see how offensive and insulting it is?
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Is it a marriage?
I don't know, I am confused, honestly.
I can't for the life of me think of why you would be confused.
You and I both applied for and received a marriage license.
You and I both went through a marriage ceremony with our intendeds which was presided over by an agent of the state, who signed the marriage certificate and gave it to us. We are both married.
Nowhere on the marriage certificate, nor in the marriage ceremony itself, does it say that the marriage is invalid unless we breed.
That is YOUR strange little problem with seeing my marriage as worthy of being considered a marriage at all.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 151 of 195 (279792)
01-18-2006 12:00 AM
Reply to: Message 143 by riVeRraT
01-17-2006 5:06 PM


Re: History
My two straight parents screwed me up so I had to spend years and years trying to fix myself.
quote:
Ever consider thats why you don't want to have kids?
Sure, I've considered it.
Have you considered that the reason you have so many kids is because you feel guilty over the abortion of your pregnant girlfriend?
But you know exactly why I don't want to have kids. It's because I am a selfish, career-minded jerk who doesn't understand that the only reason to get married is to breed a bunch of babies.
You've got me all figured out, dude.
You think the reason I am insulted is because I have a "personal problem", and not because you said to my face that you don't think my marriage should even be called a marriage because I have no children?
That is truly mind boggling.
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Whats the problem?You can't control my mind,
Would that I could, rat.
Would that I could.
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I can think what I want. Why get all fusterd about it? What's the big deal? I am not impossing that you change or that you should consider yourself not married.
I just thought you would want to know how your attitudes affect other people. You insulted me, rat. If you don't care that you did that, then I'll just add that to my list of things to remember about you.
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Lighted up, for real.
No.
You cannot just tell me to "lighten up" when you have gotten this personal with me.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 161 of 195 (280432)
01-20-2006 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by riVeRraT
01-18-2006 10:31 PM


Re: History
Have you considered that the reason you have so many kids is because you feel guilty over the abortion of your pregnant girlfriend?
quote:
No. I have always wanted kids, just like brenna was always gay.
OK, so does that mean that you haven't always wanted kids?
...because Brenna isn't gay.
And it still doesn't answer my specific question, which was "Have you considered that the reason you have so many kids is because you feel guilty over the abortion of your pregnant girlfriend?"
So many kids, is the important part of the question here.
But you know exactly why I don't want to have kids. It's because I am a selfish, career-minded jerk who doesn't understand that the only reason to get married is to breed a bunch of babies.
You've got me all figured out, dude.
quote:
I never said you were career-minded. I have no clue what you do for a living, or do I have a clue why you don't want kids.
1) The following is how you have characterized childless by choice marriages every time you have described them:
In Message #59, you wrote:
The fact is that your marriage IS different from one who chooses to have children. You do not wish to care for children, only yourselves.
...in which you insult me by saying that I am too selfish to care for children.
Then, in Message #76
Thinking that your marriage which doesn't choose to rear kids, is somehow on the same level as mine.
...which I take as you believe your marriage is at a "higher level" or "better" somehow, than mine, presumably because you have children.
That is also insulting.
And then you repeated your insult again in Message #110, when you wrote,
"But ever here the expression, lets get married and have kids? Lets just leave out the kids part, because we don't want any, we are too busy with ourselves, and our careers.
So, YOUR OWN STATEMENTS is where I got the idea that you believe I am too selfish and too career-minded and that's why I don't have any children.
Be more careful about what you write. Keep track of what you write.
2) I have explained exactly why I currently choose to not raise or have children in Message #103 in this thread, which I notice that you did not reply to. Did you read that post?
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Instead of resulting to name calling,,,again,,,, why don't you just explain yourself rationally?
Why don't you keep track of what you are writing? Why do I have to constantly quote your own words back to you? Why can you not see that when you make snide comments about why you think some married people choose to not have kids, it's just like you are saying it to me?
Is this such a difficult concept to understand?
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I still do not see why you have to get insulted, sounds like your getting defensive from my end, oh well.
Let's pretend that people in the US commonly get tattoos of patriotic symbols put all over themselves in prominent locations. Let's pretend that this has always been a very common custom here for as long as anyone can remember.
Let's pretend that you have decided, for various reasons, to not get any patriotic tattoos at all. It is a minor trend for people to not get them, but most people get at least one or two. It is common for people to ask others if they have any, and to ask when they plan to get their first one. Children generally grow up expecting to get patriotic tattoos.
How would you feel if people said that they didn't think you should be considered a true citizen of the US because you weren't patriotically tattooed, or that people with patriotic tattoos should obviously be given a special protected status that untattooed people shouldn't receive?
What if they called you "selfish" and "unamerican" and "not at the same level of citizenship as them" because, according to them, you clearly wanted to spend your time and money on yourself and your carreer instead of putting it into the many expensive, permanent tattoos that almost everyone else gets and have wanted since they were small?
This message has been edited by schrafinator, 01-20-2006 11:28 PM

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