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Topic: What we must accept if we accept evolution
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robinrohan
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Message 57 of 318 (280657)
01-22-2006 8:54 AM
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Reply to: Message 47 by lfen
01-21-2006 6:14 PM
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Re: What is robin on about?
Do you include energy in incorporeal? Like magnetism, radio waves, light? No, those phenomena are physical. The only thing we can think of that could possibly be incorporeal is "thought."
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robinrohan
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Message 59 of 318 (280662)
01-22-2006 9:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by PaulK
01-21-2006 9:58 AM
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Even YECs have a similar example of cruelty in the Flood story - and that is directly attributed to God. YEC's explain that as justice, not cruelty. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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robinrohan
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Message 60 of 318 (280664)
01-22-2006 9:21 AM
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Reply to: Message 28 by nwr
01-21-2006 10:50 AM
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Re: ONLY scientific results as "true"
In that case, nihilism is trivially true and uninteresting. Both "meaning" and "purpose" are inherently subjective. Of course life has no objective meaning or purpose. We've already been through this. You know my silly, trivial, and uninteresting view.
This has nothing to do with belief in evolution. It has everything to do with it. Evolution tells us that human life came about accidentally. Therefore, our lives are ultimately meaningless. There's no reason why we should be here other than the fact that that's how nature works. We are on the same level as everything else that exists--the dog lying in the ditch, the gnat swarming in the eye, or a speck of dust floating through space.
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robinrohan
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Message 61 of 318 (280666)
01-22-2006 9:38 AM
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Reply to: Message 35 by mark24
01-21-2006 11:12 AM
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Re: oh must i?
So he is a liar, then? The God I don't believe in, Mark, doesn't exist. If you don't exist, you can't lie.
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robinrohan
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Re: which ISM??
I used to have an innocent answer- GRAVITY WAVES What's a gravity wave? I never heard of it.
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robinrohan
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Message 63 of 318 (280670)
01-22-2006 9:46 AM
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Reply to: Message 36 by jar
01-21-2006 11:13 AM
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Is that correct? Correct. They must accept it logically. Emotionally, of course, they might not accept it.
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robinrohan
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Message 64 of 318 (280672)
01-22-2006 9:48 AM
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Reply to: Message 48 by nwr
01-21-2006 6:20 PM
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Re: What is robin on about?
But couldn't one believe in an incorporeal God, but not in an incorporeal soul? I suppose so. There's no reason for such a belief, however. The origin of religion is our feeling of incorporeality about ourselves.
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robinrohan
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Message 68 of 318 (280676)
01-22-2006 9:57 AM
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Reply to: Message 37 by Modulous
01-21-2006 11:27 AM
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Re: Disagreed
My point is that upon learning that somebody accepts that the Theory of Evolution is useful explanatory framework for explaining why populations change (ie they accept the ToE), can you make the deduction that they do not believe in slavic house spirits? My point is that you have not shown how such a deduction is possible. Your logic does not follow. This is why I said 'non sequitur'. Does that clarify things for you? It doesn't really clarify things for me. I'm talking about logical necessities. It is logically necessary that if you accept TOE, you do not accept incorporeality as a possibility. People have many illogical beliefs.
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robinrohan
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Message 70 of 318 (280678)
01-22-2006 9:59 AM
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Reply to: Message 66 by jar
01-22-2006 9:50 AM
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So if I could show you some logical reasons that a Christian might support the TOE, would that falsify your assertion? Yes it would.
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robinrohan
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Message 71 of 318 (280679)
01-22-2006 10:01 AM
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Reply to: Message 69 by nwr
01-22-2006 9:58 AM
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Re: ONLY scientific results as "true"
You are presupposing that there is such a thing as ultimate meaning. If there were a God, there might be ultimate meaning. But assuming there is no God, all we have is meaninglessness.
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robinrohan
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Message 72 of 318 (280681)
01-22-2006 10:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 67 by PaulK
01-22-2006 9:51 AM
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YEC's can only attribute the deaths of humans to justice. The suffering and death of the many, many animals that were killed cannot be attributed to justice That may be, but I'm not arguing the YEC position, so it doesn't matter if their view makes sense as far as my position is concerned. I was just telling you what I believe the YEC'S THINK. My position is nihilistic.
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robinrohan
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Message 74 of 318 (280685)
01-22-2006 10:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by Modulous
01-22-2006 9:49 AM
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Re: Germ theory rejects the 'evil spirit' hypothesis
My view would be that Germ Theory logically excludes the supernatural, or at any rate it excludes the idea of God in the conventional sense I don't think that follows. The germ theory does not logically exclude "mind." It has nothing to do with the origins of human life or the purpose of life as does evolution.
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robinrohan
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Message 75 of 318 (280686)
01-22-2006 10:09 AM
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Reply to: Message 73 by jar
01-22-2006 10:05 AM
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Do you agree that the evidence from fossils, geology, biology, the various different species found on the earth today, genetics and experimental science show that evolution happened? Yes, definitely.
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robinrohan
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Message 78 of 318 (280691)
01-22-2006 10:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 38 by iano
01-21-2006 12:20 PM
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Evolution, if it happened seems to rely on the fall and is thus reconcilable with it. If evolution happened, there was no Fall. I suppose you might claim that evolution occurred after the Fall, which would have had to happen about 4 billion years ago. But if there was a Fall, that means that man sinned, so man would have had to have been around 4 billion years ago. That contradicts TOE, which says that man is a very late arrival.
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robinrohan
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Message 79 of 318 (280693)
01-22-2006 10:20 AM
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Reply to: Message 76 by jar
01-22-2006 10:13 AM
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Do you believe that the TOE is the best logical explanation so far for the Evolution we see? No question about it.
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