Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 59 (9164 total)
4 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,929 Year: 4,186/9,624 Month: 1,057/974 Week: 16/368 Day: 16/11 Hour: 0/4


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Is it 'boring' being God?
Phat
Member
Posts: 18354
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.0


Message 133 of 207 (285814)
02-11-2006 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Brian
01-12-2006 9:08 PM


God? Are You Bored, yet?
Is It Boring, God?
Brian writes:
I thought about this while composing a reply to Jar about God's omniscience and the Fall. Now, with God being omniscient, God would know beforehand that Adam and Eve would disobey His command not to eat from the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, so their 'Fall' would not have been a surprise to God.
Phat writes:
Agreed. Not a surprise, but perhaps a dissappointment similar to a parent who watches their kid become a criminal,based on the decisions that the kid makes.
Moving to the New Testament and Jesus' death and resurrection. Now, I have heard many Christians claim that Jesus didn't know that He would come back to life three days after He 'died'. If we ignore this argument for now and concentrate on what Christians believe is the ultimate exampe of love, namely, sending your only son to die so that others have a path to salvation. How can we really admire God for this when he MUST have known that Jesus' 'death' was only a temporary inconvenience?
Phat writes:
He then also should surely have known that His freewill angel turned darkside devil, Lucifer, would be unable to counter this brilliant move of eternal sacrifice trumping sinful reality!
With these two examples in mind, how 'boring' an existence is it for God? He knows everything, can do anthing He wants, there are no surprises at all, and He knows that He is never going to die, it must be a nightmare.
Phat writes:
Well..does God think and feel as humans do? Good question.
This condition that God finds Himself in, could it make him angry, or affect His 'mental' condition? If God resents his omniscience and omnipotence, could this explain why He appears to be a blood thirsty barbarian in the Old Testament? Think about some of the stories in the Old Testament where God either slaughters thousands himself, or commands others to do His dirty work for Him, do these actions appear to be the work of a rational 'mind'?
I personally view the O.T. stories as writings of how man predicted and/or expected God to act and respond. It would be similar to IF we were writing a Bible today, and one chapter began thusly:
King Dubya was a proud man whom publically professed to know the Lord, but he consulted with the merchants and the wealthy men in secret. "What shall I tell the people?" His advisors gathered around him and declared, "O King, surely our God is with you, and He despises evil. Send our Armies to the land of the Babylonians and secure for our people the liquid bones of the dinosaurs deep beneath the ground. God is with us and He desires our people to prosper."
So the King ordered his men to pursue the wicked Prince Bin Laden and to search every cave, nook, and cranny in the land of the Afghans. Rocks rained from the sky and the people were terrified! The Prince escaped by another way, however, and gathered the people around him to rise up and lay in wait for the Amerikites whenever they passed through the towns.
The King of Babylon was overthrown, and his image was toppled in the public square. God commanded the Amerikites to slay every man, woman, and child who held allegience to either the Prince or the King of Babylon, now captured and taken by his own people. The Babylonians were wary of the Amerikites, however, for they worshipped strange gods and said that they heard from Allah, the Lord of the people.
In the above "example" that I wrote, could we conclude that the scribe (himself an Amerikite) was accurate when he said that God commanded the Amerikites to slay everyone?
Did God actually say to do that?
Personally, Brian, I think that we all provide a soap opera for God to watch! He stands outside of time and "pretends" not to know how the soap opera will end---just as we do when we watch reruns of movies we have seen!
He finds little amusement in the churches, but He laughs with the people in the pubs and at their jobs and livlihoods throughout the world. He seeks to infuse us with His Spirit, but were He to automatically make us choose it, That would be boring!

Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

This message is a reply to:
 Message 1 by Brian, posted 01-12-2006 9:08 PM Brian has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 137 by Silent H, posted 02-12-2006 11:26 AM Phat has not replied

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 18354
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.0


Message 135 of 207 (285825)
02-11-2006 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Trump won
02-11-2006 9:26 AM


>>>>>>>>>>CSP<<<<<<<<<<<<<
CSPjr writes:
No offense, but you are describing God as some sort of human.
True, and I did not mean for the description to come across like that! Humans DID transcribe the O.T., and I am addressing Brian, who is a self professed atheist. I am challenging the assumption that the God of the O.T. is different than the God of Jesus Christ. Its the people who saw the perception differently---not that they could know since God in human form was not walking around talking to them.
This message has been edited by Phat, 02-11-2006 08:06 AM

Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

This message is a reply to:
 Message 134 by Trump won, posted 02-11-2006 9:26 AM Trump won has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 154 by Trump won, posted 02-15-2006 7:03 PM Phat has not replied

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 18354
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.0


Message 136 of 207 (285827)
02-11-2006 9:46 AM
Reply to: Message 134 by Trump won
02-11-2006 9:26 AM


edit
This message has been edited by Phat, 02-14-2006 01:46 AM

This message is a reply to:
 Message 134 by Trump won, posted 02-11-2006 9:26 AM Trump won has not replied

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 18354
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.0


Message 160 of 207 (287349)
02-16-2006 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Silent H
02-16-2006 8:22 AM


Re: God? Are You Bored, yet? No.
Holmes writes:
From your own words, when we obey we glorify, or give him glory. Thus when a person chooses not to obey less glory is given. That means he is NOT as glorious or glorified as he COULD be. And thus he is not infinitely glorious, or great.
He gives us life...and in essence He gives us the love and the glory that we return to Him. We are in Communion and He is as glorious as He can be since there is nothing that can detract from His glory.
When we choose not to be in communion, that makes US less than we COULD be...it has nothing to do with an infinite source.

Gradually it was disclosed to me that the line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either, but right through every human heart, and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. Even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained; and even in the best of all hearts, there remains a small corner of evil. --Alexander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago

This message is a reply to:
 Message 158 by Silent H, posted 02-16-2006 8:22 AM Silent H has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 162 by Silent H, posted 02-16-2006 5:11 PM Phat has not replied

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 18354
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.0


Message 164 of 207 (287412)
02-16-2006 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 163 by Chiroptera
02-16-2006 5:17 PM


Re: This might be slightly off-topic but....
I can only explain it to you both in human terms, since you do not share the understanding (or perception) that I do.
Say thata man had an Aunt whom he considered a Saint. He told us of the life that she led, which was exemplory. She helped many less fortunate than herself and she cared for her ill husband, and she never wanted anyone to pay much attention to her and etc etc...
You may say, "sounds like a remarkable person, but I would hardly call her flawless!" Why do we have a "bullshit" detector that causes us to be skeptical of anyone...be they Deity or be they Diva...of being perfect and flawless?
1) Because we know human nature. We have seen many examples of deception and flawed analogies.
2) Because we know that we ourselves are not perfect--therefore--how could anyone else be perfect.
One thing is for certain, IMHO, as pertains to THIS topic:
God will never be bored as long as He observes some of the human characters that I know of voicing their opinions and weaving their theories! You know how people create fishtank environments and spend hours watching the characters of the individual fish?
Perhaps God observes humanity in a somewhat similar way. (again, since I do not know exactly how His perspective would be, I cannot comment fully!

This message is a reply to:
 Message 163 by Chiroptera, posted 02-16-2006 5:17 PM Chiroptera has not replied

  
Phat
Member
Posts: 18354
From: Denver,Colorado USA
Joined: 12-30-2003
Member Rating: 1.0


Message 203 of 207 (288068)
02-18-2006 11:26 AM
Reply to: Message 202 by Silent H
02-18-2006 11:21 AM


Re: God? Are You Bored, yet? No.
holmes writes:
Yep, when do one's desires justify one's actions against others?
Uuuh...maybe when you are the Boss?
Suffice it to say that He made humans with the inborn trait of questioning, disagreeing, and/or ignoring His presence.
So...our options?
1) Take it up with Him.
2) Ignore His reality and set your own rules at your own responsiblity and risk.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 202 by Silent H, posted 02-18-2006 11:21 AM Silent H has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 204 by Chiroptera, posted 02-18-2006 12:05 PM Phat has not replied
 Message 205 by Silent H, posted 02-18-2006 12:23 PM Phat has not replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024