Is it 'boring' being God?

So a person sitting around watching reruns of crappy reality tv programs is getting close to God? I don't know if he's bored, but I'd be.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

So a person sitting around watching a mirror and sometimes glancing at reruns of crappy reality tv programs is getting close to God? Still not too exciting to me.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

How can he be infinitely great if there are people that don't like him, and entities that he must fight but cannot destroy? Less than half the world's population is Xian, though I suppose if you include all monotheists it may be that way. It certainly wasn't that way for a long time. In any case our antics will be the same as seen on any reality program. The best you have added is an evangelist bible program.Snooze.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Perhaps you can explain how something can be infinitely great, if a portion (not matter how small) thinks it is not great. By definition that would put a limit on its greatness, and so it is not infinite in its greatness. Killing the outliers changes nothing. I thought vanity or pride were deadly sins?

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Infinite by definition has no end. As soon as one person does not think you are great, that would by definition create a limit on how great you are. Clearly you could be greater if that one person thought you were great as well. So when you are imperfect you are held to a higher standard than those who are perfect? I don't know why, but that seems like an imperfection. I've never enjoyed people that love sycophants, your God sounds like a preening asshole (e.g. a megalomaniac tv star or something).This message has been edited by holmes, 02-15-2006 11:39 AM

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

That's a very limited case. You said "infinitely great". Define infinite and great and then present a similar scenario as above. You will find it is not consistent unless you have a very different definition of either. Then why does he get mad at people when they tell him he's fat?

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Nope, because being fast has nothing to do with being great which does entail respect, unless you just meant massive? ??? No, it doesn't make sense. If he can never think himself greater than he is, then what can cause him to be angry when people dismiss a certain aspect of himself? He would already understand that as well.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Not so that he might care or notice. However it does mean that that king's greatness is by definition not infinite. You said he cannot misjudge his own greatness, how can he get angry with someone unless he feels his own greatness may actually be less than he originally thought? That's the problem with pride. It can get hurt and then one retaliates. But it can't be hurt if it is in perspective.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

I already explained this. You get one more time. Infinite means without bounds, all encompassing, not one thing in existence which is not contained. Great (unless you simply mean size) refers to being extremely popular, charismatic. So infinite greatness would mean their is no possible way that one could be greater. If even one person says you are not great, then by definition you are not infinitely great because you are not boundlessly popular and influential. You could be greater still if that person thought you were great and would do what you said. You said he punished people, I assumed he was angry. In the Bible God describes himself as angry and jealous.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Well I'm getting bored... Yes I did, you just don't seem to want to understand or are incapable of understanding. I'll stop pounding my ahead against your wall after this final blow. Powerful? How can a God have infinite power if a person is able to hate him and not obey him? Glory? Still not sure why that is not similar to popular, but let's say it is different. Wouldn't God be still more glorious if every single person loved him so much they'd obey his every command without question? Why would this anger him or make him jealous if he understands that this does not affect him whatsoever? That's like you getting mad that an ant didn't do exactly what you wanted. You just said he gets angry and jealous... that is the way I was using "hurt".Not sure if you are a troll or a sincere sophist, but I've lost interest.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Uh-huh, pay close attention now... From your own words, when we obey we glorify, or give him glory. Thus when a person chooses not to obey less glory is given. That means he is NOT as glorious or glorified as he COULD be. And thus he is not infinitely glorious, or great.Really this is very simple.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

What makes him glorious? What qualities make this up? You keep shifting away from reaching a definition of what makes up this greatness of God.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

He is ultimately glorious and nothing can detract from his glory. What does this mean when I can't get a meaningful answer of what constitutes this "greatness" or "glory".As far as I can tell he is goshgillyiscious which is some quality that has no meaning. It has nothing to do with whether he is loved or works to earn love. And this quality is exampled by him sitting around looking at a mirror of himself, admiring this quality and lashing out at those which do not recognize it.Like I said this is getting boring. If its going to be this circular track lets drop it. The stated nature of God with its vague quality does seem boring to me, and I can't imagine a God I would admire not being bored with it. As I was trying to point out initially, if a human engaged in the same activities, that person would be considered dull, slothful, and vain.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Actually I did ask you to define what you meant, and you handed me links with no selection of what your were referring to. So I suggested which I was running with and you did not deny it, you simply shifted to a new word. He does not have infinite:1) Love: He is angry and jealous by his own words and says things are hated by him and should be hated by us.2) Power: By your own admission he has ceded power to individuals. That he might be capable of infinite power does not change the fact that he does not actually have it. Can God create a stone so great he cannot lift it? The answer is YES, as he has created free will which are ideas he cannot even touch, other than to eliminate. But if that is not enough there is the story in the Bible where he wrestles a human and almost loses. He is eventually forced to cheat to win.3) Wisdom: The guy creates a world and inhabitants which continually piss him off, and does not even have the foresight of warning them against a snake who could trick them. I don't see much wisdom. A person who is frustrated by what he himself does or creates, has not acted wisely.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Heheheh... yep. If its not circular logic, then its pretzel logic.

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)