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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Certainly. But that still has nothing to do with the subject.
The point is that there is no conflict between Christianity and Evolution except in the Ghettos of Holy Ignorance. But it also points to how silly some of the anti-evolution arguments are. For example, the dinosaur walks with humans issue is among the silliest. Assume for a second that tomorrow, bright and early, we found living dinosaurs. Would that disprove the Theory of Evolution? No! Not in the slightest. What it would do is give us additional information so that we could now see just how the examples we find evolved over the last 65 Million Years, and a direct comparision against the other living dinosaurs, the birds. In the long run it would be among the most significant new areas of support for the TOE. Biblical Creationism is simply false, a resort to Wilfull Ignorance and abandonment of the gifts GOD has given us. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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knitrofreak Inactive Member |
k sorry. I wish there was an all purpose forum for evolution creation
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knitrofreak Inactive Member |
i find it extremely interesting that you can belive in God and evolution. They dont even coencide
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
i find it extremely interesting that you can belive in God and evolution. They dont even coencide Well, it's not just me. It's all the Christians except those that are either wilfully ignorant or that have been kept in ignorance. I already gave you a link to the Clergy Project. It is an open letter signed by over 10,000 US Christian Clergy, Ministers, Priests, and Pastors. Ten Thousand of them. All supporting teaching the Theory of Evolution. To quote again from the Clergy Project, and this time read it carefully:
We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. Deliberatly embrace scientific ignorance. Is that the Christian thing to do? Do you really think GOD expects you to check your brain at the door? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Great.
Can we take this discussion to the Clergy Project Thread?http://EvC Forum: The Clergy Project -->EvC Forum: The Clergy Project
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1434 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I wish there was an all purpose forum for evolution creation This is, you just need to formulate the topic for what you want to discuss. As noted above you have posted three things so far that could make good topics for discussion. All you need to do is take any one of them (I suggest starting with only one so you don't get overwhelmed) and post it in the {POST NEW TOPICS} forum. Keep it simple - for instance if you want to do the "evolutionist challenge" topic take it one question at a time the way jar is taking the grand canyon one layer at a time. Look at Christian's thread {Evolutionary Chain} as an example of a simple question and sticking to the point (mostly). You get out of it what you put into it. If you have your emial notification set you will get notifications of all posts on the threads you start (pro and con and offtopic). Enjoy. we are limited in our ability to understand by our ability to understand RebelAAmerican.Zen[Deist
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
This discussion makes me remember several stories of supposed cretaceous and permian bear tracks (you read that right. Bear tracks) That I read about in a book I have at home. Although the book has numerous fallacies (Answers in Genesis has an article warning how bad it is)it made for good reading for a while. It mentioned what seemed to be a bear track at the paluxy river bed, as well as permian tracks mentioned in the same book that looked like modern animal tracks. With some digging on the web, I found out that among the tracks where some that looked like a Bear's track.
This book I have is "Unlocking the Mysteries of Creation" by Dennis R. Peterson. Page 155 has the paluxy "cretaceous Bear track" while page 161 mentions the July 1992 smithsonian article on the permian tracks that where modern looking. I'll find the source that mentions the bear track for the permian rocks. The bear tracks at paluxy where more than likely bogus, but the permian tracks might be some proto-mammal whose feet resembled a bears. This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 05-08-2006 07:05 PM This message has been edited by LudoRephaim, 05-08-2006 07:07 PM "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4 |
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LudoRephaim Member (Idle past 5112 days) Posts: 651 From: Jareth's labyrinth Joined: |
Here's the source on the permian "Bear" tracks:
Fossil Footprints | Genesis Park "The Nephilim where in the Earth in those days..." Genesis 6:4
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CK Member (Idle past 4156 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
I'm surprised that site has never popped up here before - it's a real treasure trove of creationist claptrap - thanks for bring it to our attention.
(I'd advise members to check it out - it's got all the old classics). This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-May-2006 07:21 PM
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5901 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Not only that, but it's got a really nice mix of cryptozoology classics as well. Check out the Loch Ness Monster/Living plesiosaur links. Gotta love it.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1372 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I'm surprised that site has never popped up here before it hasn't? i've seen it before. it's one of the "big three" in the "nutters" department. (drdino.com and bible.ca being the other two.)
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
It doesn't look like you are still discussing bears.
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romajc Inactive Member |
So because I am christian, yet do not in any way believe in evolution I am wilfully ignorant? Wow.
I am guessing, in order for you to be christian and believe in evolution, you cannot possibly take the bible literally. Right? I believe what the bible says. I dont change around what it says, I simply believe what it says. 6 days, is 6 days. There once was no evolution. Evolution has been ever changing over the years. You think evolution is so true right now, yet in 100 years the view of evolution will be very different. So in reality you will have been wrong all along, no matter how you look at it. The bible on the other hand, has always been the same. So I guess I will either always be wrong, or always be right. I am sure many years ago all church officials believed in creation. Who are you to say I am wilfully ignorant for believing in creation? You belief in evolution is just as much a religion as my belief in the bible. You listen to some guys who proposed some idea over the last 100 years. I read a book that "supposedly" tells a story of all history. Which has been around through the times... and lasted. I dont understand how you can call a creationist wilfully ignorant. You act as if what you believe in is any more valid than what I believe in.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So because I am christian, yet do not in any way believe in evolution I am wilfully ignorant? Likely, you are being wilfully ignorant. But you are also very young so it is possible that you are simply ignorant. You probably have been taught in church and in homes to believe in a literal Bible. Since you are still so young the fault may not be yours but rather the fault of the pastors and teachers that are leading you astray.
You think evolution is so true right now, yet in 100 years the view of evolution will be very different. So in reality you will have been wrong all along, no matter how you look at it. GOD willing and the crick don't rise. I doubt very much that our view of evolution will be much different, we will certainly have more details. As to having been wrong all along, that's life. We learn as we grow up. You'll find this out over time, and unless we intentionally stop learning, wilfull ignorance, then we will find that our knowledge and views do mature. But if you beleive in a young earth, the flood, the garden of eden and a 6 day creation, then you are wrong today, would have been wrong 1000 years ago and will be wrong 1000 year in the future. It really is as simple as that.
You act as if what you believe in is any more valid than what I believe in. It is. What I believe about Evolution is supported by ALL of the evidence. What you believe is only supported by the lies that people tell you. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5901 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
You think evolution is so true right now, yet in 100 years the view of evolution will be very different. So in reality you will have been wrong all along, no matter how you look at it. Absolutely. It's the nature of science. I think Asimov said it best:quote: The changing nature of science doesn't provide any "absolute truth". Science seeks to asymptotically approach truth. Religion, OTOH, claims it alread HAS The Truth(tm). Even if it's wrong, it's always right. Which is the better path to knowledge?
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