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jdean33442
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Message 75 of 145 (30039)
01-23-2003 2:41 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by nator
01-23-2003 8:48 AM


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This country is not pro-war.
George Bush is, and the lapdog, sycophantic mainstream US media is, too, but the county at large is more wary.
This is because there is no clear moral reason for it.
A liberal griping about morals? I've seen it all. There are plenty of reasons for war with Iraq, moral or otherwise.
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Thanks to our pro-war, pro Bush media, in a recent poll only 17% of Americans polled correctly identified the number of 9/11 suicide bombers as Iraqi.
Who conducted this poll? How many people were polled? Did the particpants specifically check mark "Thanks to our pro-war, pro Bush media, I belive all of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi."?
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None of them were Iraqui. Almost all of them were Saudi.
That means that many people think, have assumed because of media coverage of Iraq, that we are retaliating for Sept. 11.
You are assuming others are assuming the war with Iraq is because of 9/11. That is asinine. Stop assuming and worry about your pathetic anti-war protests and coffee shop conversations.
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Sept 11 is so "last year" according to the Bush administration.
Who said that? When and where? Oh, they are your words. I see. My mistake.
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The propaganda machine fans the flames of needless war.
You embrace propaganda when it suits your needs. Why shouldn't others?
How many British troops have been deployed to the Gulf? Oh wait, the BBC is too busy complaining about the evil pro-war West to worry about how many of it's own citizens are readying for war. Damn that pro-war media!

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jdean33442
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Message 83 of 145 (30334)
01-27-2003 2:08 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by John
01-27-2003 1:51 PM


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Palestinians were kicked out of their homes by force in 1957(?). And Isreal was created. This was done on orders from the UN and by UN armies. The country of Israel is a insult to human rights. This isn't anti-semitism, just fact. I have no problem with Jewish people, but the country of Israel is another issue altogether
And how was the United States of America formed? I could be wrong, but, why yes, I think it was taken by force. Human rights? Do some research on the arab "brother" states around palestine. They treat palestinians worse than anything Israel has ever done ten fold.

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jdean33442
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Message 85 of 145 (30347)
01-27-2003 3:45 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by John
01-27-2003 2:41 PM


BADIL Resource Center for Palestinian Residency and Refugee Rights
Is a site with information. You have google. Look it up yourself. Just because I speak it doesn't mean it is the truth. That was the point of not siting references. I assumed you would do research out of curiousity.
Jordan is the only country to give Palestinians full right of citizenship. The Lebanese government treats Palestinians the worse and refuses to grant the right to employment or citizenship. There are still 200,000 plus Palestinians in Jordanian refugee camps.
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See, we are supposed to learn from history....
I considered what happened in 1948 as history. My point was you have no qualms living in a country that forcefully took the land from the indians. I doubt if we never conquered America it would be the superpower it is today. Sometimes force is needed.
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Tell you what, you tell me that if the UN decided to kick you out and give your home to foreigners you'd be OK with that, and I'll believe that you are serious.
Leave or stay and fight. Those are my two options when confronted with the situation. Israel is staying and fighting. Israel owned the land before the palestinians. No refute was given on your behalf to Arachnid's post (although Arachnid did not site any references in his post either). So I am assuming you are in agreement with Israel owning the land first.

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jdean33442
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Message 92 of 145 (30365)
01-27-2003 6:41 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by Primordial Egg
01-27-2003 5:41 PM


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That's the points refuted or dismissed as irrelevancies. Now I'm not in favour of the destruction of Israel, or the extermination of Jews as I'm sure you're about to present me as. I'm against the sanctioning of massacres of 1500+ innocents which happened in Sabra and Chatila (and for which Ariel Sharon was found culpable by an Isrraeli commission) and the continued mass killings and heavy handed tactics used against Palestinian civilians which garner worldwide condemnation.
I would classify that as natural selection. The strong survive and the weak are eradicated. Watching animals kill each other is easier on the stomach, I guess.
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The best solution IMO is a two state solution, with the Palestinains being granted a contiguous area of land and Israel promised its security. All this takes is the political will (most people internationally would support this idea).
I was enjoying your eloquent post until here. A two state solution is naive. Quite a few muslims have vowed to destroy Israel and won't stop until they achieve their goal. Muslim attacks against Israel will result in occupied land, regardless of deisgnation of a Palestine state. The cycle continues.

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jdean33442
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Message 105 of 145 (30570)
01-29-2003 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 103 by John
01-29-2003 1:21 AM


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hmmm.... metaphor and sarcasm, eh? Well, you are bad a both. And you can't spell.
Why don't you just call him a poopoo head. Your 2nd grade wit is not appreciated.
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Yes, like all very reliable data put out by the offending parties.
Offending to who? You?
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And we know how honest governments are. LOL... the joke gets better.
Yes, I think we all know the true nature of man. But perhaps I am wrong or my version of history is wrong. Of course we all know how honest Muslim regimes are.
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Why yes indeed, they may print a story we don't want to hear. God forbid!!!!
Haha. Yes. Or even write a story no one wants to read. From your esteemed "non-biased" Robin Miller, a progressive freelance writer site:
A Proposal for Regime Change in the United States
Sent to about 15 progressive websites. Most didn't put it on their sites.
An Open Letter to the American People on War with Iraq
Distributed to 260 newspapers on September 14. None published it.
Ariel Sharon's Vision: "Maximal Killing"
Distributed to 260 newspapers on July 10. Not published by any.
Bush's Mideast Blunder
Distributed to 260 newspapers on June 26. Not published by any.
The Media's Middle East Rules of Engagement
Distributed to 260 newspapers on June 6. Not published by any.
Cataloging (Some of) Israel's War Crimes
Distributed to 260 newspapers on April 12. Not published by any.
Israel's War against the Palestinians Is the Real Outrage
Distributed to 260 newspapers on April 4. Published by:
Antelope Valley Press (Palmdale, CA; April 8) (link not available)
Quad City Times (Davenport, Iowa; April 7) (link not available)
Rockford Register Star (Rockford, Ill.; April 7) (link not available)
Thoughts on Nuremberg and Baghdad
Distributed to 260 newspapers on March 17. Not published by any, to my knowledge.
Washington's Own Love Affair with Terror
Distributed to 260 newspapers on March 1. Published by one.
Wow, an impressive record. And you just gobble this crap up?
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None of which makes the site or the reports wrong. It may just be that they are telling the truth. Am I smelling some well-cooked bigotry? You sure can make Muslim-American sound like a slur. Want we should kick 'em all out?
It isn't hard to find the information, if you care to look. Is Robert C. Miller an ultra biased Muslim-American too?
Research Guide to the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict
Actually, it's Robin not Robert. I guess it is a stalemate for spelling between the two of you. You are aware she is a woman, right? I hope that doesn't change your views. It's baffling why you chose that site to defend your alleged unbiased rhetoric. Clinton's memoirs are less liberal than that site.
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Am I smelling some well-cooked bigotry? You sure can make Muslim-American sound like a slur. Want we should kick 'em all out?
Actually, I think a good ole fashion witch hunt is in order. Muslims have identified myself and my country as an enemy, however, my country has refused to identify them as enemies. Wouldn't be PC to do that. We are in America and I have to put up with them and their views. I still don't trust them.
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Sad that you are defending a false history.
historychannel.com is false. I'll take your statement at face value. Where can I find the "true" history books and/or references and become enlightened? Checking... Darn. http://www.johnswackyhistory.org isn't registered.
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Yes. It is the irony that strikes me. I doubt you'd deny the tragedy of Nazi Germany, but you adamantly deny the tragedy surrounding Israel's creation.
I bet you get irony about as often as you talk to women.
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That was two thousand years ago! Lets give North America back the various indian nations. We'll give Mexico back to the Mayans-- there are still a number of descendants there.
Actually, the indians still live here in America. The enterprising Indians are making quite a bit of money off of that land also.
There are still Mayans around? I thought they had all been integrated into the big cesspool of mexican culture.
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The jews in Palestine were in no way a majority and took the country by force after the UN declaration in 1948.
What a grand army the "jews" had back then to take countries by force. It's a shame their army didn't defend itself against Germany. Btw, your statement about "jews" shows your bigotry.
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I have a very low tolerance for idiocy.
You must sleep alot to avoid yourself.
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Surely you must see how you've contradicted yourself here? You first claim that we protect Israel cause we promised, then agree that conveniently breaking promises is good strategy. You must also be basking in ignorance because you have just come to a conclusion about US national policy.
We support any democratic nation to a point. We support Israel more than most because it is strategically sound. World politics is high school. Our government should always pick being sneaky and underhanded if it benefits the US. It really doesn't matter who's feelings we hurt or if it is ethical. It is a game of survival.
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Aren't you a pleasant chap?
Aren't you a simple chap?
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In terms of government, that seems to be the case. But government is built on people. Public sentiment could help change that but right now we give everyone fuel for the flames. I'd like to see the violence stop. I just don't see it happening while Israel exists.
Violence will always exist as long as man exists. Government or not. You just happen to be on the liberal anti-israel bandwagon. I will agree with you government is flawed. So is democracy. As long as the stupid outnumber the intelligent, this will always be the case.
You make schraf look reasonable. I bet you consider yourself an activist too. How pathetic.

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jdean33442
Inactive Member


Message 108 of 145 (30601)
01-29-2003 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by John
01-29-2003 2:51 PM


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I doubt it will do good, but here is one christian's perspective on the issue.
Page not found - CounterPunch.org
Your attention to detail rivals the hole in your head. Here is the first sentence of that lovely article:
Forgive me, an atheist student of Christianity, for intruding in your affairs.
A christian point of view? So reading is not your forte. I forgive you.
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How about some anti-israeli rhetoric from a jew? That will be fun.
Page not found | Norman Finkelstein
This is well written, however, it is garbage. Why is it garbage you ask? Mr. Finkelstein, who i'm quite sure is HUGE in Canada, never once portrays Arabs poorly. They are just innocent victims doing nothing but getting slaughtered. Israel is nothing but evil. I really hope you don't think this is anything more than angry bias towards Israel.
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History is far more political than you seem to realize. I have some serious doubts about the History Channel. But you follow neither as far as I can tell, opting for an modern myth instead.
Yes, we are all victims of misinformation. Everything I know is false. Trust no one. Once again I ask, where can I find the true history books? I no longer want to be in the dark.
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You know, I can't find any reason to believe in God, but when people say things like this I very much wish I could believe, because then I could believe in a day of judgement. As it is, I can only feel sad.
I'm sure you would brand God a false history lesson even if he did exist.
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Wow... how about that!!! So WAS THE COMMENT YOU CHASTISED BE OVER!
You lost the spelling bee again. The correct word is ME, John. Not BE. I'm sorry, but you did not win the trip to Washington DC due to your incompetence.
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Childish response.
We could all learn a lesson in childish behavior from you. I find it humorous you would even cite such a thing. Look at your posts. It was the Nation of John who resorted to childish trash talking before Satcomm ever did. Perhaps you can find a .org site to prove me wrong.

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jdean33442
Inactive Member


Message 110 of 145 (30620)
01-29-2003 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 109 by John
01-29-2003 6:41 PM


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Do we hate Canada now too?
Why yes, I find both the government and local populous Canada quite offensive. They are the white trash of North America.
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Maybe I should take up your angry bias towards well... pretty much everyone?
That really hits home. You're right. I'm going to change starting now!
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Well, you are freaking brilliant!!!! It happens. Big deal. I pick on people sometimes but I don't really care. Everybody spells badly on these boards. It is amazing to me that you and satcomm both take it so personal.
Nice try to save face. Didn't work though. Hypocrite comes to mind.
Third request: Where can I find History books which speak of the truth? How do I discern between falsified history (or I believe the buzzword for this is revisionist history) and truthful history books?

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jdean33442
Inactive Member


Message 113 of 145 (30724)
01-30-2003 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 111 by Quetzal
01-30-2003 2:51 AM


Good stuff, quetzal. The first two look quite good and I am placing an order today. Thanks for the information.

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jdean33442
Inactive Member


Message 114 of 145 (30725)
01-30-2003 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 112 by John
01-30-2003 10:43 AM


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Well, it helps to not accept on side's story a priori as truth. What is so amusing about this debate is that both you and satcomm discount anything pro-arab ( whether written by actual arab/muslims or not ) and accept uncritically the Israeli accounts of the conflict. It is just mindbending that you think this is rational. It also helps to take the opinions of those directly involved with a big lump of salt. You both seem to have cannonized the Israeli reports though. It just doesn't make sense.
Post a site that is not left wing. I'm sure your internet favorites is quite the left wing library. Pro-Arab views I carry no grudge against.
You are avoiding my question, however, how are you discerning the difference between revisionist history and truthful history?

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jdean33442
Inactive Member


Message 129 of 145 (30881)
01-31-2003 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by nator
01-31-2003 11:14 AM


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Native Americans were in North America 30,000 ago, many thousands of years before any Europeans came here.
What data do you have to prove indians lived here 30,000 years ago? Indians own land in the US and some are making quite a bit of scratch from it. Your point is worthless, as usual.
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Does that mean it would be OK for them to get the UN to help them kick all of us out now so they could have their land back?
It would be great if the native americans could get the UN to kick you out of the US. Or at least confiscate your computer.

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jdean33442
Inactive Member


Message 130 of 145 (30885)
01-31-2003 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 120 by nator
01-31-2003 11:10 AM


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I don't have time for a full response right now
Too busy cutting bread to post?
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I just told you I would have voted for JOHN McCAIN.
Oh, why didn't you say so. I agree with everything you have to say from here on.
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And no, the Democrats aren't progressive enough for me. There is very little difference between the two parties now. The republicans are mostly pretty far right wing and the Democrats are pretty much centrists for the most part.
You are progressively getting dumber by the post. I've met 5 year olds with stronger political arguements.
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There is no "left" in the US that has any power or influence.
Oh that is a scary statement. Not that it's true, but the fact your little warped mind believes the left wing has no influence. How far left do you go?
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Don't try to use that conservative tactic of saying that if one is liberal, left-leaning or progressive one is evil or a commie or anti-American.
How about this conservative tactic. Liberals lack common sense and on a general basis, are simpleton path followers.
I have a riddle for you. What does your brain and the below share in common?
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Answer: They are both filled with empty space.

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