Creationism, Evolution and the Public Schools

Why? I don't see any controversy in the mainstream journals.

And he misspelled "Medieval".

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If its ok to do it to muslim fundamentalists why not christian fundamentalists.

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Because Christian fundamentalists aren't flying planes into our skyscrapers.And by the way, we only go after Muslim fundamentalists that are trying to kill us.

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Am I detecting a hint of religious bigotry in the running of american foreign policy?

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Nope. If those were Mormons flying planes into skyscrapers, we'd be chasing Mormons. And as a citizen of the US, I thank you, as a citizen of the UK, for helping us in the War on Terror.

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Christian fundamentalists protestant or catholic kill hundreds a year in northern ireland/mainland england.

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Sounds like a domestic problem to me. Maybe your country should get the hell out of Northern Island and allow them to rule themselves? Just a suggestion.

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And as a citizen of the UK, I thank you, as a citizen of the US, for funding the IRA for the last thirty years.

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Much appreciated. And I thank you for your exemplary subjugation of a people who don't want anything to do with your government.[This message has been edited by gene90, 12-07-2002]

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We have always treated the Irish better than you treat north american indians. The US has never in its history honoured a treaty with the amerindians.

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Nor has England. After all, we were English at the time it began (don't suppose you're troubled by little things like what we call the French and Indian War). You wouldn't let us go without our own war of independance. Remember? Why was it that you had to hold us in subjugation? Much like those Northern Irish Catholics, perhaps?I suppose England, in its long and bloody history, and its imperial days, never did anything immoral, eh? Like invade Scotland? Crush insurrections in India? Invent slavery so the Southern Colonies would become economically dependant upon it? Aide and abade the slaveholding Confederacy during the American Civil War? Impress American sailors into forced service on English ships?No, never, I'm sure...No hard feelings of course. In fact, you're going to help us topple Saddam. Even if it's bloody.

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The reason a presence is maintained is similar to your presence in guantanamo bay and grenada (for a bit anyway) an enemy on your doorstep needs watching.

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We have a base in Cuba. You have a captive civilian population in Ireland. I can sympathize with you to a certain extent, and for the record, I've never funded the IRA nor do I support what they do, but those people want out of your country and you have the moral obligation to let them go.

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Maybe we should use american subjugation techniques and send smallpox infected blankets to ireland.

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UK education is supposedly superior to American education.So I'm sorely disappointed.Because it was the British that sent the Indians smallpox-infected blankets. In 1763, no doubt -- while we were still in immoral subjugation to British rule and British taxes.This British atrocity was thought up by a Lord Jeffrey Amherst (hint: most Americans do not have "Lord" in front of their names)
and carried out by a Captain Simeon Ecuyer.Perhaps you would like to further your education?http://www.nativeweb.org/pages/legal/amherst/lord_jeff.html

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The only country in the world ever to use nuclear weapons

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And also the only country to have nuclear weapons during an unrestrained war. Which we spent most of our time in defending the UK.

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(against a country that was trying to surrender

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We demanded the Japanese surrender in late July, they didn't surrender. We demanded the Japanese surrender after Hiroshima, they didn't surrender. We demanded the Japanese surrender after Nagasaki, and Hirohito surrendered (after an unsuccessful coup by his generals in their attempt to continue the war). Good thing too, we were running out of bombs.Before you show more of your ignorance on the history of the Pacific campaign of WWII, I can link you to a thread here with more information...However I think your time would be better spent studying your own nation's history.[This message has been edited by gene90, 12-07-2002]

Ok, you're not so good at history, let's try current events.

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Why dont we start a forum to find out who thinks saddam hussain is more dangerous than george bush?.

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Go ahead, I'll meet you there to doublecheck what you have to say. Of course, this isn't about international popularity of George Bush, now is it? It's about toppling a dangerous regime.Besides, your own PM is eating this up.

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Have you noticed that iraq is currently complying with UN resolutions

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Yep. A gun to your head can do amazing things.

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if they comply how are you going to justify toppling him?

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Your guess is as good as mine.

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By breaking a treaty I imagine.

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What treaty says we can't invade Iraq?Maybe you should ask Saddam about breaking treaties and UN resolutions, he's quite good at it.

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You've forgotten the usual "but we did'nt know that nuke's were radio-active" propaganda.

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I apologize for not addressing this, but I don't find revisionist history is worth very much.[This message has been edited by gene90, 12-07-2002]

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When will you give new york back to the huron.

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When are you going to give us reparations for two wars fought on our soil?While we're at it, we can dissolve the UK and give Scotland, Wales, and Cornwall autonomy.[This message has been edited by gene90, 12-07-2002]

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What reparations have you paid japan.

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We rebuilt Japan, wrote their constitution, and established their current government.We were generous, as they started the war.

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You know how vietnam was fought almost exclusively by afro carribean soldiers, and the gulf war by hispanics, who are you sending to iraq this time round?.

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Brits from the look of it.But you're wrong about Vietnam, the draft brought in mostly Caucasians because they are the majority of the population. I don't know about Hispanic presence in the Gulf War, but since that only involved people who willingly enlisted it doesn't say there's anything wrong with the groups being sent. Oh, and actually, I'm quite sure you are wrong: Native Americans are the most frequently encountered minority in the US Army.

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Where did you get the idea that cornwall wants autonomy?

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Oh, I forgot, Cornish is a dead language. English culture completely wiped them out. Manx is going too. I do hope you know your own land well enough to know where to find the last surviving Manx speakers?I'm at least hoping you know your British geography better than you know your British history. You seem to have bungled your attempts at pinning atrocities committed by Brits on the Americans.

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Yorkshire wants autonomy

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And you're not going to give it to them, are you?Do I know where it is? Not without a map. The counties of England are not exactly important to me in my daily life.

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Whilst passing through US customs

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They actually let you in? Wow they are inept. Good thing they got overhauled a few months ago.

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The only brit casualties in "Oil war one" were due to incompetant yank A10 pilots.

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Too bad, that's what happens when you have overwhelming firepower.[This message has been edited by gene90, 12-08-2002]

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And the Southern States. Lee would be proud! & so it goes on.....

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A lot of Southerners seem to resent being ruled from Washington, but not like what you have in Northern Ireland.This breaking up of states and local rule is all the rage in geography, "devolution" they call it. Quebec, Basque, and the regions of the UK are all examples. There have even been recent threats by political extremists in the US (Alaska, parts of the Pacific Northwest, Hawaii has a strong culture that clashes with the rest of the States, a tiny stretch of Maine that nobody would miss).

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But coming from a nation that won't even let democratic secessions take place, you really don't have an argument, Gene, if you're speaking from a nationalistic POV.

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I'm not making an argument I'm just trying to piss off one of your fellow citizens.

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Northern Ireland, Kernow (Cornwall), can both have autonomy if the electorate wish it.

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Despite Metatron, Cornwall has made moves toward autonomy?

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are more reticent than you Yanks think about dissolution of the Union.

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No way! We saw Braveheart

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I'm a Londoner, BTW

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Congratulations.

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You support christian terrorism

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I have never, knowingly, supported any kind of terrorism, be it Christian, Muslim, Environmental, or what have you.However, I'm sure that somewhere in the UK somebody supported the 9/11 terrorists.Thank you in advance.

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You condemn muslim terrorism

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Quite.

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You support Israel who ignore UN sanctions

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We (US and UK) give Israel enough to keep them from being killed by their neighbors. We also hold Israel on a leash. Do you know how the last few wars Israel fought turned out? (I remember that history is not your forte). Israel slaughtered the invaders and took a great deal of land, which the US convinced them into giving back, as a peace gesture.But, just for my own edification, perhaps you would like to tell us which UN sanctions Israel is currently violating?

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You condemn Iraq who (currently) comply with UN sanctions

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Iraq is pretending to comply because Bush is essentially holding a gun to Saddam's head.And your nation condemns Iraq as well. As I've said, your PM is going to send your troops to the desert as soon as Bush decides to start dropping the bombs. It looks like he's basically at our command.

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When do you plan on toppling Ariel Sharons dangerous regime.

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I wonder about Israel, after the USS Liberty incident and apparent Israeli espionage on US soil.I don't know though, all these ridiculous European bleeding hearts make it difficult. Didn't you learn anything about appeasement from Hitler? "Give him what he wants and maybe he'll be nice!"The next thing you know we're bailing you out. Again.As I have said, history isn't your strong point.Neither are current events.According to some sources:UK harbors terrorists
UK sells Israel weapons
Britain sells components of chemical weapons to Middle Eastern Nations
UK condemns Iraq
UK condemns Muslim terror
UK perpetuates Christian terror by keeping Northern Ireland in subjugation.So, if we were (for the sake of argument) going to fight a war with Israel, would the UK be on our side or would all those mindless, anti-military doves (descendants of those who thought Hitler was a nice guy, just misunderstood) oppose the action?Besides, do we really need your help? Britain has already fought a war against Israel, and lost.[This message has been edited by gene90, 12-08-2002]

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you did'nt dare enter WW2 untill the brits sank the german navy, shot down the german air force and the russians broke the back of their land forces.

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Brits sank the German navy? Bull. When we got into the war our ships were surrounded on all sides by destroyers to keep the U-boats off. Brit transports had all been sunk. London was being bombed from the air. British military was all but wiped out. The Russians wouldn't have done you much good either. "Broke the back of their land forces" huh? Yeah right..."broke their backs" so much they were able to nearly obliterate your army at Dunkirk and drive your forces completely out of mainland Europe, until D-day, when we were nice enough to show you how a competant fighting force works. And even then the UK forces were only a token presence, as always Americans did the real work. Let's face it, you won one battle in WWII on your own, the Battle of Britain, and that was completely in the air. Every other Allied effort was at least 70% American. If not for us you'd be speaking German and heiling swastikas right now.Unfortunately when I see Eurotrash like yourself posting anti-American commentary I sometimes doubt if we should have even bothered in the European theater.Hollywood history is better than no history, or history according to a stupid politically-motivated anti-American idealist who has never taken a course in the history of his own country, much less other nations he has bias against.

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At least the italians joined a side straight away instead of waiting to see who was winning.

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We waited until your country was on the brink of invasion before helping you out. And if we'd known it would allow morons like you to live there, we would probably have left to you the Third Reich.

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Didnt Al-Qaeda start out as american funded freedom fighters?

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Nope. Osama however was a mujahadeen. After we saved his country from the Soviets he turned on us. Sounds kind of familiar doesn't it?

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You've only mentioned U-boats I notice (everything else was sunk).

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"Everything else was sunk"? Well why the hell didn't you get the U-boats? Answer: because all that you had was air power, the Germans wiped everything else out. And they were getting ready to wipe you out before we saved your little island country.

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Dunkirk happened before the russians turned the german tide.

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So why did you need our help at D-day? Couldn't you Brits have managed by then? Oh I forgot, you're making up your "history" as you go.

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You lost vietnam because your soldiers are crap

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You're inept at British history, don't even pretend to know anything about American history. We lost Vietnam because of a lot of bleeding hearts in Congress throwing gum in the gears of the American war machine. Kind of like what you're trying to do now but are doing a miserable job at it (because we're going to take Iraq if Saddam flinches and you know it, in fact, some of your troops are going to give their lives helping us).By the way, I couldn't help but notice that you can't even spell "Baghdad".

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you have a lot of planes and tanks but they are no use in jungle where the vietcong hunted fat sweating rednecks

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Wait a minute, I thought you said our troops in Vietnam were Afro-Caribs? Rednecks are white people. What happened to your memory? Been eating British beef? I hear you can get nasty degenerative neurological diseases from that.

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The reason the gulf war stopped short of an invasion of Bagdad was because your government knew you would take massive casualties in house to house fighting

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Well it looks like we're going to test that hypothesis, now doesn't it? And we'll have lots of Brits getting killed with us.

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and your civilian population go all wobbly at casualties

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Actually I think you're the one getting wobbly at the thought of casualties. This country is pro-war right now.

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You cannot use air power or armour in a densely populated

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We hit a lot of targets in Baghdad during the Gulf War. We killed civilians but not enough to call it a "slaughter".

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that means you can either slaughter the civilian populace (as you did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki)

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They had it coming. We demanded their surrender and they did not comply.Should the British ever face another war with the US (I doubt it, you lost the last two, a third would make you our 51st State) I suggest you surrender when we demand it.

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or once again its open season on the overwieght redneck forces of highly questionable freedom.

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That's exactly what people said would happen during the last war with Iraq, and we slaughtered Saddam's forces. They were surrendering to CNN camera crews before it was over.Unlike the Falklands War, where you actually lost two of your ships to Lancet missiles. How embarrassing.

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And stop using my language invent your own you smelly little colonial.

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It's not your language. It's a form of German with influence from Latin and French (from two of the many forces which have conquered England during its history). Give it back to the Germans and make up your own languages.And give me your nation's computers. After all, transistors and the Internet were invented by Americans.

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So the mujahadeen were the american funded terrorists

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Actually they were freedom fighters. Kind of like the freedom fighters that sent the British army packing back in the eighteenth century--when you actually did have a significant army and navy.

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The enigma machine has often been hailed as the item that turned WW2 two were captured during the war, both by the british.

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Yeah, at least your county pulled off a couple of decent espionage missions during the war, so you weren't completely useless. (That and the UK became the world's largest aircraft carrier for US planes).What's this nasty rumor about Churchill sacrificing his own civilians to protect Enigma?

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When is disney doing a crucifiction cartoon?.

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What are you babbling about now?