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Author Topic:   Open Question For Jerry Falwell (and those who agree with him)
Buzsaw
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Message 76 of 180 (312279)
05-16-2006 12:13 AM
Reply to: Message 68 by SuperNintendo Chalmers
05-15-2006 7:09 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
SNC writes:
Is this a joke? Seriously dude, it's hard to tell if your posts are jokes or not
1. It's certainly not a joke for the tens of thousands of those folks across the nation and around the world who've become victims of disasterous catastrophes, not to mention all the loved ones of these.
2. The Bible declares a time of God's wrath on the world. It's here! If you're fairly young, regardless of who you are, imo, it will affect you and/or your loved ones sooner or later in a significant way, I'm sorry to say.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW

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ramoss
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Message 77 of 180 (312351)
05-16-2006 8:28 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Faith
05-15-2006 2:59 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
You see, in my eyes, it is immoral to elevate a man into being a God.

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Faith 
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Message 78 of 180 (312353)
05-16-2006 8:32 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by ramoss
05-16-2006 8:28 AM


Re: Right on, Whisper
You see, in my eyes, it is immoral to elevate a man into being a God.
Then you should have no problem with Christ, who simply IS God and didn't need any elevation.

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jar
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Message 79 of 180 (312395)
05-16-2006 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 76 by Buzsaw
05-16-2006 12:13 AM


Re: Right on, Whisper
It's a bad joke and could only be the actions of a pitiful, impotent godling that is incapable of any positive actions. The godling you describe is some simplering little dandy, a whimpering whiny weakling bully that in fits of tantrum throws major catastrophies around just to show he's to be noticed. It is the actions of a petulant child, immature and peevish.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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ramoss
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Message 80 of 180 (312437)
05-16-2006 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by Faith
05-16-2006 8:32 AM


Re: Right on, Whisper
On the contrary.. "CHrist" is not god. "CHrist" is merely greek for the term 'Messiah", which means 'annointed one". The "annointed one" is either a King (a human), or the High Priest of the temple (again a human). The Messiah is not a literal 'son of god', nor is the messiah a god.
That is just claming a human person is a god. That is Idoltry.
Not only that.. the missionary's do not do what is claimed in the New Testament about what Jesus said that if they won't listen, 'Shake the dust off your sandals and move on.'
Missionaries don't do that.
Edited by ramoss, : More stuff to add

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Faith 
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Message 81 of 180 (312572)
05-16-2006 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by ramoss
05-16-2006 12:25 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
The Messiah is God. Old Testament says so. God our Righteousness. Wonderful Counselor, Almighty God...
Missionaries usually just plant themselves and let people come to them.

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ramoss
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Message 82 of 180 (312603)
05-16-2006 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Faith
05-16-2006 7:39 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
Well, that just shows you don't understand the Jewish names from that time period. For example, Isaiah means "God is our salvation"
The specific names you were talking about were specifically talking about Ahaz's son Hezeikel, not god.
And no, Missonaries don't do that. They trade aid for conversions.
As Bishop Tutu in South Africa said, "The missonaries came with the bible, and asked us to close our eyes and pray with them, when we opened them, we had the bible, and they had the land".

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Faith 
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Message 83 of 180 (312605)
05-16-2006 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by ramoss
05-16-2006 9:10 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
Well, that just goes to show that you don't know that "God is our salvation" defines the Messiah Himself. And any Jew who called a mere man by the title "God our Righteousness" and "Almighty God" would be apostate. And yes that is what missionaries do.

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ramoss
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Message 84 of 180 (312738)
05-17-2006 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by Faith
05-16-2006 9:16 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
What you are failing to realise the concept of the Messiah is different in Judiasm. Also, the point you are failing to acknowledge is that the jewish names of the time were a description of God's attributes.
God is our salvation is the literal translation of the name Isaiah, the prophet.
Those term in Isaiah 9:6 was not speaking of some mythical savior to be born 700 years in the future. He was talking specifically about the son of King Ahaz, Hezeikal.

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nator
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Message 85 of 180 (312861)
05-17-2006 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Hyroglyphx
05-15-2006 11:44 AM


Re: Jerry Falwell
quote:
I would agree that secular thought has greatly contributed to all the problems we face in the world today.
How?

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nator
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Message 86 of 180 (312864)
05-17-2006 1:36 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by simple
05-15-2006 11:05 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
quote:
Yes we are in the end times. The very end, as the bible clearly says cannot come before that man of sin, the antichrist comes. Then we are in the last few years.
But the Black Plague and the Influenze Pandemic of 1918 killed so many more people than any illness or war in the last several hundred years.
Deaths from plagues and wars are getting fewer, not more numerous.
How can it be the end times?

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nator
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Message 87 of 180 (312869)
05-17-2006 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Buzsaw
05-16-2006 12:13 AM


1. It's certainly not a joke for the tens of thousands of those folks across the nation and around the world who've become victims of disasterous catastrophes, not to mention all the loved ones of these.
2. The Bible declares a time of God's wrath on the world. It's here! If you're fairly young, regardless of who you are, imo, it will affect you and/or your loved ones sooner or later in a significant way, I'm sorry to say.
Yes, and remember the Great Spanish Influenza Epidemic of 1918 that killed 100 million people in one year?
And let's not forget the Black Death, which killed 34 million people over 5 years in the mid fourteenth century. That was fully one third of the population of Europe.
Have the end times been "near" for 600 years?
We have been seeing less large-scale death from disease, catastrophy and war in recent centuries, not less, buz.

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Faith 
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Message 88 of 180 (312879)
05-17-2006 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by nator
05-17-2006 1:40 PM


Have the end times been "near" for 600 years?
Couple thousand to be exact. Getting nearer all the time, and Buz is right, the signs are increasing.
We have been seeing less large-scale death from disease, catastrophy and war in recent centuries, not less, buz.
What we're getting is warnings, love taps. An amazing number of incurable terminal diseases have surfaced in the last half century. That they haven't yet spread beyond local pockets should not be taken as some kind of assurance that they can't. The number of local devastations by weather disasters seems to have been increasing, toward a possible ultimate cluster effect. Numbers of deaths so far don't tell the whole story here. You have to think portent. It ought to be a sign of what could happen when resources are not available because so many localities are devastated at once.

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ramoss
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Message 89 of 180 (312894)
05-17-2006 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Faith
05-17-2006 1:54 PM


So who are those peopel from 2000 years ago that 'woudl not taste death' before the endtimes came?
I mean, if you take the bible as truth, they have to still be alive.

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simple 
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Message 90 of 180 (312908)
05-17-2006 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by nator
05-17-2006 1:36 PM


Re: Right on, Whisper
The amount of people who die are not the test or indicator of when the end is. Here are a few for you, that no one has ever seen since Jesus' day, that are genuine indicators that the time is here, and well in progress. The Antichrist as a world leader, and the animals sacrifices of the Jews resumed.
Edited by whisper, : No reason given.

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