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Topic: A question of numbers (one for the maths fans)
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kuresu
Member (Idle past 2543 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: 03-24-2006
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Message 61 of 215 (325517)
06-23-2006 11:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 57 by jar
06-23-2006 11:32 PM
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Re: yum yum
The babylonian number system is based off of 6, which doesn't present a problem with pi then (if I remember correctly). I don't know what number the egyptians number system was based off of. And that's a whole cultural thing with ancient greece, I believe. Different cultures, different acceptances.
All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 62 of 215 (325518)
06-23-2006 11:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by fallacycop
06-23-2006 11:38 PM
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Re: Saucy numbers
Of course you knew I meant without the finite symbol, so you are just wasting our time now. I'll take it as you can't, and let you off the hook.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 63 of 215 (325519)
06-23-2006 11:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 58 by fallacycop
06-23-2006 11:35 PM
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Sure it is not a member of the Z set. But not being an integer number doesn't make infinity non-existent. Infinity is a subjective concept. If infinity exists, then so does God. 0.999... = God
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kuresu
Member (Idle past 2543 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: 03-24-2006
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Message 64 of 215 (325520)
06-23-2006 11:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 62 by riVeRraT
06-23-2006 11:56 PM
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Re: Saucy numbers
The infinity symbol is a sideways 8.
All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 65 of 215 (325522)
06-24-2006 12:04 AM
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Reply to: Message 55 by fallacycop
06-23-2006 11:18 PM
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Re: infinities work fine
can you explain to me how did you sneak god into the conversasion? If infinity exists on pure subjectiveness, and that is ok with you, then God gets in there. There is no proof of infinity, but it exists There is no proof of God, so he does not exist. Inconsistent logic.
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kuresu
Member (Idle past 2543 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: 03-24-2006
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Message 66 of 215 (325523)
06-24-2006 12:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 63 by riVeRraT
06-23-2006 11:58 PM
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0.999999 to infinity is not infinity. It is 1. Inifinty could be described as a number that never ends. So it would have to be 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ad infinitem. Once you put a decimal place in there, it stops being an infinite number. Infinity is very important in describing graphs. And most likely a whole range of other problems. Like the size of the universe. Or God's power.
All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 67 of 215 (325524)
06-24-2006 12:05 AM
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Reply to: Message 64 by kuresu
06-23-2006 11:59 PM
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Re: Saucy numbers
Yes, I just don't know how to write it in the forums.
Probably alt-something
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 68 of 215 (325526)
06-24-2006 12:07 AM
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Reply to: Message 64 by kuresu
06-23-2006 11:59 PM
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Re: Saucy numbers
∞ peek for the code.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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fallacycop
Member (Idle past 5550 days) Posts: 692 From: Fortaleza-CE Brazil Joined: 02-18-2006
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Message 69 of 215 (325527)
06-24-2006 12:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 62 by riVeRraT
06-23-2006 11:56 PM
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Re: Saucy numbers
Of course you knew I meant without the finite symbol, so you are just wasting our time now.
I'll take it as you can't, and let you off the hook.
You should be more open to other peoples points. I'm not wasting anybody's time , I don't think. I was just pointing out that the elipses are a valid way of representing a never endding self repeating decimal number. there are other valid ways to represent numbers besides the longhand one. There are even ways to represent numbers that do not repeat themselves over and over again. π is one of them. Edited by fallacycop, : No reason given.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 70 of 215 (325528)
06-24-2006 12:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 66 by kuresu
06-24-2006 12:05 AM
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I am speaking of a number going on for infinity.
My problem is I do not understand recursion yet.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 71 of 215 (325529)
06-24-2006 12:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 70 by riVeRraT
06-24-2006 12:08 AM
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Great Rat.
My problem is I do not understand recursion yet. Another immense step. Way to go, sir. After that, ask them to explain why parallel lines meet and non-parallel lines cross twice.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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kuresu
Member (Idle past 2543 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: 03-24-2006
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Message 72 of 215 (325530)
06-24-2006 12:14 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by riVeRraT
06-24-2006 12:04 AM
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Re: infinities work fine
Try this objective proof on for size, by the very same Galileo that angered the church.
Galileo's para-
dox.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 . . .
1 4 9 16 25 36 49 . ..
The paradoxical situation arises because, on the one hand, it seems
evident that most natural numbers are not perfect squares, so that the
set of perfect squares is smaller than the set of all natural numbers; but,
on the other hand, since every natural number is the square root of ex-
actly one perfect square, it would seem that there are just as many per-
fect squares as natural numbers. For Galileo the upshot of this paradox
was that, "we can only infer that the totality of all numbers is infinite,
and that the number of squares is infinite . . . ; neither is the number
of squares less than the totality of all numbers, nor the latter greater
than the former; and finally, the attributes 'equal,' 'greater,' and 'less,'
are not applicable to infinite, but only to finite quantities." One of the better math people here will have to explain it. I understand what's written here, but I can't explain it. This proof isn't under the current use (or proof?) of infinity, but was an important step in establishing that infinity does indeed exist (much to the chargin of the ancient greek metaphysicians) ABE: forgot the source. Here it is: http://www.math.yorku.ca/...s/3500/Infinity/iatmChapter1.txt Edited by kuresu, : No reason given.
All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 73 of 215 (325531)
06-24-2006 12:15 AM
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Reply to: Message 69 by fallacycop
06-24-2006 12:08 AM
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Re: Saucy numbers
I was just pointing out that the elipses are a valid way of representing a never endding self repeating decimal number Well wasn't that the point of my statement? The problem is you are expressing an infiniate thing, with a finite symbol.
there are other valid ways to represent numbers besides the longhand one. I am fine for expressing things in another way than longhand, So here is my question, since I do not seem to know the answer. If you can't actually express it in longhand, then isn't there an unsolved problem? Formulas and proof's have been known to be wrong before.
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riVeRraT
Member (Idle past 446 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: 05-09-2004
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Message 74 of 215 (325533)
06-24-2006 12:16 AM
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Reply to: Message 71 by jar
06-24-2006 12:11 AM
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Re: Great Rat.
I was actually going to say, that 0.999... can be one, if it represents distance. Eventually it will come back on itself.
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kuresu
Member (Idle past 2543 days) Posts: 2544 From: boulder, colorado Joined: 03-24-2006
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Message 75 of 215 (325534)
06-24-2006 12:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 73 by riVeRraT
06-24-2006 12:15 AM
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Re: Saucy numbers
Doesn't a circle go on for forever? After all, where does it begin, and where does it end? How's that for a proof?
All a man's knowledge comes from his experiences
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