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Message 53 of 300 (331477)
07-13-2006 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Faith
07-13-2006 11:37 AM


So what i then hear is tht GOD becomes the great synthesizer in that she brings all aspects of a person's life into connection.
He is what I would say the great Connector then?

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Message 62 of 300 (331549)
07-13-2006 3:45 PM
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07-13-2006 2:45 PM


Re: In reply to your closing statement.
Your conclusion can't be true if you have a logically flawed set of premises.
Your conclusion could be accidentally true if you were to rephrase your argument in a manner that would make your conclusion then fit the premises.
For example in this case if you were I believe Mikehager is not a person of exemplary moral characteristics for xyz reasons then sure your argument is true. But it is also based on your opinion of how Mike has acted.
Or Mike could say Robinrohan is prone to promote flawed arguments as well as mischaracterize and attack others due xyz examples. But again his arguement is now based on his opinion on how you have acted in regards to his person.
In both cases the arguements are flawed in applying to any population larger then an individual, or even extrapolating further out into a group of people. Because both have based your arguements on personal experience and is only valid so far as xyz people you have met are not exemplary, and thus you cannot extrapolate to all because there could always be c person who demonstrates exemplary moral character.
However, I would say both of you need to stop baiting each other (who cares who started it) because you are providing examples of how not to have a good discussion that follows forum guidelines.

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Message 69 of 300 (331561)
07-13-2006 4:18 PM
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07-13-2006 4:07 PM


I will agre with you, actually cooking is incredibly interesting. I think I was alluding to the lack of interest a number people have in the whole of the cooking process.
I remember the year that I was given a book that taught me how to put up preserves and pickles. I thought it was the most facinating thing in the world; all of this chemistry and physics. The absolute, very most coolest thing was the fact that I was supposed to put some of this food on a room temperature shelf for, in many instances, months before eating it. Utterly amazing to me.
Can you point me towards some of that information. I really really am curious about those kinds of things. Lets just say i love the chemistry of cooking, and what a variety of steps can do to foods like CHEESE . Oh how I love you my cheese...
Besides a side thing is that i learn how to cook...the women shall flock to my food! And I get to be like my dad, who did the majority of the weekly cooking in my family. Rather kind of fun I think. Though cooking for 5 kids, 4 of them boys, I think taxed his mind a little bit .

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Message 71 of 300 (331566)
07-13-2006 4:21 PM
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07-13-2006 4:18 PM


The whole secret lies in arbitrariness . . . I will cite an example. There was a man whose chatter certain circumstances made it necessary for me to listen to. At every opportunity he was ready with a little philosophical lecture, a very tiresome harangue. Almost in despair, I suddenly discovered that he perspired almost copiously when talking. . . .From the moment of this discovery all was changed. I even took pleasure in inciting him to begin his philosophical instruction, merely to observe the perspiration on his brow . . .
I would say what a load of drivel. To say that the man is stressing because he is talking about it. The cynicism (based on the little i've seen of the essay, will look it up later), about life in that essay is entirely sad, to derive joy from another's prespiration seems a little deranged to me. Though I wonder if you have ever considered attempting to explore things the way Schraf or myself have done, for the sake of trying it and seeing the variety of ways you could build a meal or fruit platter, or something akin to that.

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Message 73 of 300 (331568)
07-13-2006 4:23 PM
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07-13-2006 4:19 PM


Exactly... Why expect anything, the experience will be what it will be, and after you have the experience you can figure out multitudes of ways that could imporve, change or differentiate from your past experience.
First time is sad to expect much hehe. Its like sex I would think bad sex is always going to happen the first time around. Its not till you figured out things that it happens to get better. (not that i know as of yet.)

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Message 78 of 300 (331576)
07-13-2006 4:44 PM
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07-13-2006 4:30 PM


Ah sorry, misread your writing. My fault. Though admiteddly i wasn't one far satircal accounts. Candide...well that was stretching it alittle bit, though the short account was very enjoyable.

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Message 79 of 300 (331577)
07-13-2006 4:49 PM
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07-13-2006 4:33 PM


Of course we can play a little mind-game with ourselves: "I don't expect anything, so if anything good happens, it's gravy."
Instead why not say, what happens, happens and i shall take what happens in stride?
I mean so you get disappointed, but now you have an oppurtunity to make the disappointing situation change into something different. Is there not always the choice to take what occurs and move with it and change it as you go along?

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Message 80 of 300 (331580)
07-13-2006 4:52 PM
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07-13-2006 4:41 PM


Bingo, such a wonderful way to sum up how maturity works.
Or even back to food (I am so hungry right now). You hear how this one restraunts has this incredible kind of soup, and they describe in mind boggling detail the way it tastes and all sorts of pleasantries and you go there, expecting this marvelous soup. And you taste it and it tastes like a campbell soup...How sad to have that kind of expectation...
Where as if you instead to expect to enjoy an interesting soup, that is different from your usual palette, by all means there is far more room to experience the soup and derive an excellent experience from it.

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Message 136 of 300 (331790)
07-14-2006 4:47 PM
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07-14-2006 3:57 PM


Re: Summation?
I'm not against compromises. We all have to make compromises with life, we have no choice. And if we can be content with them that's a plus too.
Actually you do have a choice to make compromises with life or not. You can choose to reject what you have recieved, and continually do so if you like. Its not impossible however, very quickly as a person you spend a lot of energy being angry about everything. And if you like doing that is alright.
What I'm trying to focus on is the radical disconnect between our desires and imaginations and life as we find it, human nature itself, which seems to have been made for so much more than is available.
Radical disconnect between our imagination and life? I am not sure i understand that. Could you perhaps clarify that?
If though I say something based off of how I interpreted the quote I find that my desires and imagination seem to be very well connected to my life, in the sense that my desires have been accomplishable or are accomplishable with more experience. In that i've had to defer the gratification of my desires.
Christ fulfills it all. No compromises there. Dreams you never dreamt come true.
I would be inclined to disagre, and that only on a higher level of thought/emotion does Christ fulfill all higher desires, like love and direction. Christ I am fairly certain does not fulfill some of the less complex ones. Unless I mean you have sex for Christ, or masturbate for Christ, which sounds pretty weird. You can not fulfill physical bodily needs with just Christ, I don't think you can eat him, and if you do not eat that is tantamont to suicide which I think gets you rejected from heaven. Christ i don't think fulfills your bodily needs, if he did that just gave me the weirdest mental picture.
And also extending to dreams you never dreamt come true, I would probably agree. I would think people are a little wrapped up in the day to day tasks of life that they find it hard to dream anymore...

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Message 137 of 300 (331791)
07-14-2006 4:50 PM
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07-14-2006 4:31 PM


Re: Summation
All I'm saying HERE, however, is that I agree with Robin that human nature seems to have been designed for a lot more than this life offers. It's something some may recognize in themselves no matter what their beliefs.
I'm not sure I understand this. So are you saying that the way humans dream and imagine demonstrates that humans have a higher purpose then what life on earth offers?

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Message 144 of 300 (331798)
07-14-2006 5:10 PM
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07-14-2006 4:55 PM


Re: Summation
Hrm i don't necessairly agree with that. I would interpret the ability to dream and imagine of something higher, as just that the ability to dream beyond the current situation and into the future and what might be there. I mean imagining the future is a higher purpose because it can take care of a person's needs at a later time.
But if it is indicative of a higher purpose...Thats presupposing there is higher purpose beyond this life, which is acceptable i guess. Bears more thinking upon for myself...

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Message 158 of 300 (331883)
07-14-2006 11:49 PM
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07-14-2006 5:16 PM


Re: Summation
But if it is indicative of a higher purpose...Thats presupposing there is higher purpose beyond this life, which is acceptable i guess. Bears more thinking upon for myself...
Doesn't "presuppose" it, it's an inference from it. If we seem to ourselves to have capacities and desires that outstrip reality, that is what suggests this higher purpose.
I'm not sure how to respond because i don't think i understand enough of what you mean. What capacities and desires outstrip reality that thus suggests a higher purpose?

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Message 159 of 300 (331884)
07-14-2006 11:51 PM
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07-14-2006 10:03 PM


Re: A comment on "negativity"
Even if you have a world view why must you have a balanced what at all? What does a balanced world view contribute to a person, in your opinion?

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Message 161 of 300 (331886)
07-15-2006 12:01 AM
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07-14-2006 5:00 PM


Re: Summation?
Sounds reasonable within the context of Christianity. May I ask you to clarify what we are meant to be within the context of Christianity?

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Message 162 of 300 (331888)
07-15-2006 12:03 AM
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07-14-2006 11:54 PM


Re: A comment on "negativity"
The Truth or the truth? I am uncertain how you mean truth at this point. One Truth, many truths, your singular truth, George's singular truth?

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