boasts of Athiests II

All accurate descriptions of the human condition, and signs that human beings have a nature that cannot be satisfied with anything that this life has to offer, that we were made for a fulfillment beyond our imagination. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I took the quotes Robin gave as reflecting the condition of humanity without God. What is missing IS God since we were made for Him. So those who have God have found that fulfillment, at least have it to look forward to after a lifetime of that very learning you are talking about.

I don't understand your question. God is our fulfillment. Which anyone knows who has Him.

Life is a whole new thing in God. Everything that is done for Him, through Him, is a fulfillment of our nature. Or maybe I still don't know what you are asking.

Wow.That should give Robin a good laugh.

Love it. How true.

I'll have to ponder it. I've only been able to check in from time to time this afternoon and have been enjoying what you've been doing.

Jar, some of us do the same things you are describing all the time, but we don't make it into the be-all and end-all of Life with a capital L as you do. The trees out my window make me SO happy, I'm SO thankful for them, living on a desert as I do. I gaze into them all the time, often to rest my eyes from the computer. Every time I look at them they make me happy.I also love the brand-new quail family that has taken up residence in the trees at the end of the parking lot right in front of where I park my car, with the tiniest little quail babies skittering when I approach. I thought at first they were some very small species of songbird pecking among the leaves. Sometimes they don't know I'm there and I can watch them for a long time.There's a little three-year old redhead who visits her grandmother in this apartment building. She has a very aggressive personality and makes a lot of noise, bosses around another little girl who lives here, but I found out she seems to like Bach and asked to come in one day when I had a Partita playing off a classical internet site. She only stayed a few minutes but it was a nice little visit.The roommate I had a few years ago let some deer hang out in her yard so we could watch them. They loved her yard. Cool grass sheltered from the road by trees. We admired how gracefully and effortlessly they'd leap over the fence. Never in a rush -- They trusted us. We could watch them from just a few feet away. Unfortunately they ate all the roses and the deer poop made the yard uninhabitable for her grandchildren -- but we loved them so we were sad to have to chase them away. The whole neighborhood watched over them though. There was a five-point buck among them. One night half a dozen people gathered on the sidewalk to look at him munching grass in the yard across the street from us. He would look up and then go back to munching.Years ago I adopted a baby raccoon its mother had abandoned. Wonderful experience. She would climb me like a tree and loved to hang out in my big leather book bag so I kept it empty for her.When I was a child my father picked up a newborn lamb from the side of the road -- I don't even know why it had no mother -- brought it home and gave me the job of mixing powdered milk and feeding it. I held the bottle for it every day. As it grew it would butt me playfully when I came into the pen. MUCH fun. When it was big enough we gave it to a farmer. Sad ending for me but it was a great experience.Oh, and I often return my shopping cart plus somebody else's to the cart pen.I don't know about Robin, maybe he would find all this a complete bore, getting his pleasures mostly from literature and teaching perhaps, but my point is that I enjoy it all but I still agree with him that reality and the human mind are at odds.All that means is that our imaginations outstrip our reality. We want more than we have. We may appreciate much beauty but it's not enough somehow, we want perfect beauties that don't exist; or we want a perfect love, our human loves all being imperfect; the perfect mate, and everybody knows that doesn't exist; the perfect everything. Cherries without stones. And to leap tall buildings at a single bound, and hug lions and tigers and have birds trust you. And for God to reveal exactly how the Flood happened.

Well, I just have to register my disagreement here again. I don't understand this at all. What Robin called boasting simply IS boasting, simply objectively definitionally boasting.He had an axe to grind so it was emotionally intense and he finally admitted he was being too harsh and apologized, but that doesn't change the fact that, objectively speaking, what he called boasting just IS boasting. As he defined it, SELF PRAISE.To me saying it is not boasting is like saying blue is not blue, water is not water. I am really boggled by this insistence that this is just Robin's own subjective feelings.

Well, we don't doubt that you don't doubt that we believe that. So? We don't doubt that you are wrong either. We don't doubt that what he called boasting is in fact boasting and that you guys are having some kind of cognitive calamity. Boasting is Is it also Word Reference dictionary's filter?I mean it's as they define it too: Objective conclusion: It's an objective definition, not "Robin's filter."Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Thank you. I don't think I got it all that well said in the end though. It isn't wanting perfection exactly, although that's part of it, but more like it's missing something, wanting something you can't have as you put it originally.Oh well.You're an expert bird watcher eh? Identify a whole bunch of birds? Go on birdwatching "expeditions" packing the binoculars and that sort of thing?

How duplicitous of you, jar. You called his definition of boasting as "self praise" a "filter." Perhaps it was mere inability to get your thoughts properly into words, but that is what you did, so I supported the defintion. And I agree with what he applied it to. And if the whole lot of you at evc don't all I can say is that numbers mean nothing when it comes to evc as this is a very odd little society here and a cognitive disorder could easily take over the majority. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The question is not Robin's feelings about it, but whether it is boasting or not and you all keep denying it. Absurdly. Pathologically.

PD, you are performing feats of mental acrobatics to deny the obvious. Trickery.First you define boasting as trying to hurt someone, by appealing to a rather oddball definition that you think disqualifies Robin's view of the examples given, and then you dismiss Robin's definition of self-praise even though it is one of the definitions at an official dictionary site.I never did share Robin's FEELINGS about any of this, but I do think objecting to his use of the word "boasting" is some kind of deviousness. Maybe it was Robin's disgust with boasting that you're all reacting against, but then you can hardly claim objectivity about the definitions in that case.Accepting the simple definition of self-praise, the truth is all the examples given are of boasting. That's just a fact. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Of course now we're told that returning shopping carts is not about doing a good deed. Funny, I thought he said that he was annoyed that people don't return their carts. Obviously a moral judgment it seems to me.Now I want to see a picture of your grandson's eyes.