boasts of Athiests II

Best ever.

But not all of us want perfect beauty, the imperfections enhance the perfection. Some of use love cherries with pits (they had some at the store but I decided on apple turnovers instead) and olives with pits and find the difference in those where the pits come free and those where the meat sticks to the pits wondrous. It isn't the be-all and end-all of life, it is life.And GOD has revealed how the flood happened. It didn't.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

By no means. I am an expert bird-watcher.And you ought to see my grandson's eyes. I've never seen such eyes.Jeepers, creepers,
Where did you get those peepers?Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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I always believed you. I just thought you exaggerated a tad.

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Excellent post, Schraf.

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Thanks for the thoughtful response.

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I'm sure we can understand each other in due time.

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I am much obliged, robin. Thank you.I hope we do understand each other.

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Reality is what you make it. If you wish to live in a dull gray shadow world, fine, that is your option.

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It is only that way though by choice. Wonder and awe and love and beauty and excitement and joy and hapiness are also there if you but accept them and work a little.

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I feel that everyone looks at life through different filters.My engineer husband views life around him differently than his creative wife, me.I am fascinted by how a slight breeze makes the cat's fur move ever so slightly and how the cat turns an ear to noises behind her. My husband sees a critter that ran off with is wrench.Of course when I look under the hood of a souped up mustang I see metal and what my husband sees is a thing of beauty.We also use filters when we listen or read what others say. Our experiences are our filters.Robin perceives boasting due to his own filter on life.I agree and do feel that people are able to change the filter by which they categorize or judge others. But as you said, it takes a bit of desire and work.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

Well, I just have to register my disagreement here again. I don't understand this at all. What Robin called boasting simply IS boasting, simply objectively definitionally boasting.He had an axe to grind so it was emotionally intense and he finally admitted he was being too harsh and apologized, but that doesn't change the fact that, objectively speaking, what he called boasting just IS boasting. As he defined it, SELF PRAISE.To me saying it is not boasting is like saying blue is not blue, water is not water. I am really boggled by this insistence that this is just Robin's own subjective feelings.

We don't doubt that both you and robin believe that. Yup, his filter, life as robin defines it.

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Well, we don't doubt that you don't doubt that we believe that. So? We don't doubt that you are wrong either. We don't doubt that what he called boasting is in fact boasting and that you guys are having some kind of cognitive calamity. Boasting is Is it also Word Reference dictionary's filter?I mean it's as they define it too: Objective conclusion: It's an objective definition, not "Robin's filter."Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Thank you. I don't think I got it all that well said in the end though. It isn't wanting perfection exactly, although that's part of it, but more like it's missing something, wanting something you can't have as you put it originally.Oh well.You're an expert bird watcher eh? Identify a whole bunch of birds? Go on birdwatching "expeditions" packing the binoculars and that sort of thing?

Something like that. I brought it up to show that I appreciate nature too.I am also a good-deed-doer. Jar doesn't have a monopoly on that.

Way too funny Faith. The point is that no one but you and Robin have seen the examples that have been put forward by Robin as boasting. That is the filter. We are not discussing the definition of the words but rather Robin's application of those terms in regard to several specific quotations.Look, if Robin wishes to be annoyed or upset over someone saying that they are of exemplary moral character, that's fine. The rest of us can just sit back and snicker. If you want to agree with Robin that's fine. The rest of us can just sit back and snicker.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

If you think that the point of the shopping cart story was related to doing good deeds, then you totally missed it. That is even sadder.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Well, I just have to register my disagreement here again. I don't understand this at all. What Robin called boasting simply IS boasting, simply objectively definitionally boasting.

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Then let's look at them objectively.Given that this is a debate forum and the whole purpose for engaging in discussion here is to prove that one's own side is right and the other is wrong or vice versa if one so desires and given that this is a written forum not a visual debate; let's see how the authors of those statements "spoke" with excessive pride about ones own accomplishments, abilities, or possessions. BoastingNow to look at them objectively, one needs to read the statements without projecting emotion onto them. Unlike a book, posts here do not come with hints as to the author's emotions. Sometimes we can discern obvious anger, but IMO, there is a certain desire behind boasting which I don't believe these posts contain. This article describes that desire very well. Now with that in mind and without adding emotion to the words, read the first quote in context which I discussed in Message 17.Since this is a debate forum and support for one's position is needed, the author uses his own life as an example to refute the comment. He can only speak to the facts of his own life and not anyone elses. Without project emotion, do you see the statement as an intent to hurt or to refute?Again in Message 41 do you read an intent to hurt or to correct a misconception? Self-praise in and of itself is not boasting and has its place. Boasting has more of a negative intent behind it as stated above.I don't think either writer overstated their truth to the degree that it has no basis in reality or were stated to hurt or make anyone feel inferior.If you feel that they have, please be specific as to what statements have no basis in reality or were designed to make anyone feel inferior.Remember stay objective, don't project.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

How duplicitous of you, jar. You called his definition of boasting as "self praise" a "filter." Perhaps it was mere inability to get your thoughts properly into words, but that is what you did, so I supported the defintion. And I agree with what he applied it to. And if the whole lot of you at evc don't all I can say is that numbers mean nothing when it comes to evc as this is a very odd little society here and a cognitive disorder could easily take over the majority. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

The question is not Robin's feelings about it, but whether it is boasting or not and you all keep denying it. Absurdly. Pathologically.