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Author Topic:   The Unacknowledged Accuracy of Genesis 1
iceage 
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Message 23 of 302 (351825)
09-24-2006 4:03 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by danny
09-19-2006 6:26 AM


Religion and Truth.
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In general, the similarities between the biblical and scientific theories of universal evolution are uncanny. Are these similarities a product of my deranged imaginings and, if not, how did they come about.
No this is not uncanny.
What is uncanny however is that not one discovery of natural truth or monumental paradigm shift in human thought has ever come from a theologian or by metaphyical means such as a vision or prayer or visits from spirits.
No theologian, cleric, spirit medium, or priest has ever had a revelation while reading "holy" scripture or a vision that has lead to a new fundamental understanding such as:
  • The shape of the earth
  • Heliocentric solar system
  • Nature of gravity
  • Existence of galaxies
  • Immensity of the universe
  • Nature of matter and atomic particles
  • Evolution
  • Relativity
  • Structure of DNA
  • on and on....
Not one, not a single instance in religions (too) long reign. So why attempt to go looking for such "truth" now. Yes, you can go to sources that vainly attempt to show the bible or koranic accuracy in explaining the natural truth, but all are contrived and require a significant amount of suspension of common sense. If these natural truths existed in these holy works then why has not some inspired prophet pointed these out before. Either they are not there or no truly inspired adherts exist or both.
If "holy scripture" or religious visions have never yielded any scientific truths after centuries then why do some try to turn the "holy scripture" into a science text book.

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iceage 
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Message 30 of 302 (352283)
09-26-2006 12:49 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by danny
09-25-2006 11:23 PM


Re: Religion and Truth and Dogma
Please keep my comments in context. You said:
As for your comment about no theologians or clerics etc. never contributing to scientific advancement, you may be shocked to learn that many of the "great minds" of science were devoutly religious men.
I said:
No theologian, cleric, spirit medium, or priest has ever had a revelation while reading "holy" scripture or a vision that has lead to a new fundamental understanding
Key point being that no significant discovery of the nature of the universe came from studying the Bible or Koran. If scientific truth was in these scriptures then it would have been possible to derive those truths from the scripture alone. The truth is not there.
I include the Koran not to offend you but because Muslims make identical claims (equally unconvincing) as Christians that their book contains many uncanny scientific facts - but always in retrospect.
A method of gaining insight that makes a mockery of the processes of logic and rational thought.
What! The Eureka moment comes after significant observation and thinking deeply about the problem not via prayer or holy vision. The processes of logic and rational thought precedes the Eureka moment.
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Try to remove your dogmatic blinkers - neither science nor religion offer a total view of reality. They are both partial explanations.
Science and religion are not on equal footage. Huxely once stated that science is organized common sense. I will add that religion is organized superstition.

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