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ReverendDG Member (Idle past 4140 days) Posts: 1119 From: Topeka,kansas Joined: |
No don't ban faith, i may get annoyed with the things she says, but she holds to her guns and i salute her
might as well close the forums if we ban creationists out of frustrationthough i would have to say faith trying to argue in the science forums is a bit.. slippery
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Nighttrain Member (Idle past 4024 days) Posts: 1512 From: brisbane,australia Joined: |
Might as well throw my five cents in.
For a while, I suspected that Faith was Percy in covert mode, because his/her statements tended to be so outrageous that it kept the EvC pot a-boiling. I now accept she exists. Her value to EvC lies in forcing us to confront our arguments, do the research, word our statements better in an effort to convince. When frustration boils over, I suspect we know deep down that our efforts weren`t the best we could present, but could do with a lot more work. And so we should if our views are on show to lurkers, not only now, but in the future via search. Being the lazy types we are, our psyche takes the easy way out and blames the opposition. I give Faith 10/10 for tenacity in holding the line under mass assault. Would we do as well under pressure?
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AdminOmni Inactive Member |
Words are like boots, said the poet. Sometimes I stomp around too much.
Here's the rest of the story, again a private forum posting now shared publicly. I'm done now.
AdminOmni writes:
After some reflection, I feel there are some things I take for granted that I should make explicit. This is the best forum on the web, bar none. I participated in a half dozen forums before coming across EvC, and now I focus whatever time and energy I have for on-line discussion here, though injuries, surgeries, illnesses and employment issues have lately much interfered. The founding conception, the format, moderation, participants--all world class. I recall exclaiming when I found EvC via a Google search (while researching an obscure point of evolutionary theory)--"Look at all these smart people!" I felt like a kid in a candy store: even the trolls were better There are folks here who are smarter than me. There are professional scientists whose training and rigor make my life-long lay interest seem a paltry thing. There are better writers. I couldn't be more pleased. But I can only speak my own mind and not anyone else's. That's the only way I know that is both honest and likely to further my own understanding by inviting challenges, agreements, amendments. You have built a fine house, Percy, and I thank you for it. It is a better house than I would have built, and it may well be that your inclinations about renovating it are equally as superior to my reservations. Still, when I look around, it doesn't look broken, and I cannot pretend that it does, however much I admire your skill and this monument to it. The best I can offer EvC is my honest opinion. That's also the best I can offer my friends. I fear I let the heat of my honesty bake out too much of the friendship in my posts on this issue, and I hope you'll let me leaven them with it now. EvC will remain an essential community for me as long as it stands, and I certainly have no interest in any schismatic alternatives. Thanks again, Percy. |
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I think the biggest issue there is that Faith has the third highest post count on the board. Brad is nowhere close to that. Also, Brad is a sweetheart.
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Heathen Member (Idle past 1313 days) Posts: 1067 From: Brizzle Joined: |
I have to say, I find it Quite vulgar when a thread like this opens, discussing someone as if they're not there when they're actually 'in the room'
regardless of whether or not that person agreed or asked for it. I don't think it's a matter for a public 'vote' Edited by Creavolution, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1474 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I have to say, I find it Quite vulgar when a thread like this opens, discussing someone as if they're not there when they're actually 'in the room' That was already the case in the private forum, discussing me as if I were an insect specimen pinned to a display, and it's been the case on other occasions at EvC. So I have no problem with making it completely public where everyone can have an opinion. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5945 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
but she holds to her guns and i salute her Holding to your guns maybe a good thing if you are holding on to the right gun. I find nothing admirable in vigorously maintaining a position without well reasoned convictions. Or nothing praiseworthy in not expressing a certain measure of doubt, commensurate with the weakness of the available evidence. This is especially true if someone willing employs well known logical fallicies and dishonest debate tactics only to protect the ego, gratify a personality defect, or maintain a perfectly comfortable delusion. Ed Conrad of the "man as old as coal" fame could be described as someone who sticks to his guns - not much to admire there. On the other hand, being able to modify or even completely change your position, after careful evaluating new evidence is commendable. A fine example of this is the Glenn Morton story at: http://home.entouch.net/dmd/gstory.htm If you have not read his story it is a worthwhile read. Concerning Faith, I have not been here long and consequently do not have a strong opinion. Like others here I have recently had suspicions of her being a troll. However, I shudder at the concept of banning her participation. If I was a commited creationist though, I may think otherwise, as her own words typically harm her own supposed philosophical alliances if anything. I know if Voltaire was a member of the EvC forum, he would have a choice phrase for this situation. Edited by troxelso, : speling mistaak
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Sonne Member (Idle past 5960 days) Posts: 58 Joined: |
I came to this site to observe the creo/evo debate and believe Faith to be the bastion here for her side. I don't agree with her take on the debate, but I admire her tenacity and the fact that she does her best to keep informed on evolutionary concepts. For all that some here may be frustrated by her posts, if she were to be banned from this site then the guts would go out of the debate here.
Kakariki
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DorfMan Member (Idle past 6111 days) Posts: 282 From: New York Joined: |
I have visited. Chilling to walk in on an inquisition.
Hope you get to stay, Faith. They do what they accuse you of doing themselves. You may not be erudite in science in the same magnitude as they, and neither are they erudite in theology in the same magnitude as you. Except for ego, this formula should achieve a balance. Is it here you achieve validity as a Christian? Good blessings to you, lady Remember, Jesus rode into Jerusalem on an ass. I'm sure He had to kick it to get it to go. In Christ!
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
and neither are they erudite in theology in the same magnitude as you. And most of us stay who are not so erudite in theology stay out of the theological threads and don't make what are obviously stupid assertions about it. There is not such symmetry as you are suggesting.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I think the biggest issue there is that Faith has the third highest post count on the board. why is that an issue, exactly? she has to defend much more of her side of the argument than the average "evolutionist" does, because there's les of her to go around. she's also been here a very, very long time.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
That was already the case in the private forum, discussing me as if I were an insect specimen pinned to a display, and it's been the case on other occasions at EvC. So I have no problem with making it completely public where everyone can have an opinion. yes, it does seem highly inappropriate. i guess the public forum is a better place, though, so everyone can voice their opinion. and so far it seems the vast majority of the board has your back, faith. frankly, i can't believe we keep having these discussions. this is probably at least the third time regarding you, and i know there've been a few times regarding randman and other creationist members. Edited by arachnophilia, : typo
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
Faith,
Most of what you write about evolution is distorted by the creationist lens you are peering through. I think that ultimately all creationist arguments are flawed. But that's what this whole forum is about: discussion between creationists and 'evolutionists' (for want of a better word). So I cannot quite understand why this question of what to do with you crops up at all. Your post are not constructive, says one. But I have learned a lot from looking up things you and your opponents have brought up in discussion. I call that constructive. You post count is too high, says another. Well, your count may be high, but your posting rate, i.e. the average number of posts per day since registering - a much more interesting statistic in my opinion - is just below that of your accuser, Schrafinator. The member with the highest post count (Crashfrog) has a posting rate just less than twice yours and the member with the second highest post count (Jar) is a machine gun compared to you. (But that's understandable, because he's from Texas.) What you write is creationist rubbish, but it's well-written rubbish and I read your posts for the sheer enjoyment of language. In that respect, you are up there with the best of them. Please stay. Edited by Parasomnium, : No reason given. "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science." - Charles Darwin. Did you know that most of the time your computer is doing nothing? What if you could make it do something really useful? Like helping scientists understand diseases? Your computer could even be instrumental in finding a cure for HIV/AIDS. Wouldn't that be something? If you agree, then join World Community Grid now and download a simple, free tool that lets you and your computer do your share in helping humanity. After all, you are part of it, so why not take part in it?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
I find nothing admirable in vigorously maintaining a position without well reasoned convictions. faith (lowercase f) is not about reasoning. otherwise, it would be called "reasoning" and not "faith." it is a wholely different animal, and has little or nothing to do with facts -- and often runs contrary to available evidence. Faith (uppercase f) represents a large segment of the american population, and really, faith (lowercase f) as a whole. this is evolution (a scientific theory) versus creation (an idea primarily motivated by faith). saying that we cannot except arguments that are just plain irrational and driven only by bias and person belief is, in effect, eliminating one side of the debate. "evolution" wins by definition. hardly fair, or right.
Or nothing praiseworthy in not expressing a certain measure of doubt, commensurate with the weakness of the available evidence. for most people, "faith" and "doubt" are antonyms. my particular kind of faith is rather unusual.
On the other hand, being able to modify or even completely change your position, after careful evaluating new evidence is commendable. that is science. not religion. again, defining the rules of the debate in favor of one side.
Concerning Faith, I have not been here long and consequently do not have a strong opinion. Like others here I have recently had suspicions of her being a troll. a troll with 10,000 posts? faith does make a number of troll-ish posts, yes. but she also legitimately contributes to the discussion. hell, half my posts are kind of trollish too.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1374 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Your post are not constructive, says one. But I have learned a lot from looking up things you and your opponents have brought up in discussion. I call that constructive. yes. i, for one, learn by being challenged. this board, and dealing with creationists, has inspired me to learn a number of things, not the least of which is hebrew.
You post count is too high, says another. Well, your count may be high, but your posting rate, i.e. the average number of posts per day since registering - a much more interesting statistic in my opinion - is just below that of your accuser, Schrafinator. touche.
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