Author
|
Topic: A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives ...by Michael Moore
|
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
|
|
Message 2 of 161 (364417)
11-17-2006 6:38 PM
|
|
|
Hee hee!
|
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
|
|
Message 8 of 161 (364766)
11-19-2006 3:31 PM
|
Reply to: Message 7 by Wepwawet 11-19-2006 3:21 PM
|
|
There was a time when victory speeches were all about what a good race was run by your worthy adversary and the importance of rolling up our sleeves and getting to work. Of course, then Republicans came to power, and victory speeches were all about how the nation had narrowly dodged a bullet by not electing the Al-Queda candidates, how it was clearly God's divine will than a Republican won the race, and it was the dawn of an enduring epoch of Republican control of all three branches of government. I actually think this is a refreshing change. I don't see that Michael Moore is under any obligation to win gracefully; he's a private citizen not a public candidate. I think he's showing a lot more restraint than conservative pundits did in the past.
This message is a reply to: | | Message 7 by Wepwawet, posted 11-19-2006 3:21 PM | | Wepwawet has replied |
Replies to this message: | | Message 18 by Wepwawet, posted 11-20-2006 6:34 PM | | crashfrog has not replied |
|
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
|
|
Message 33 of 161 (365123)
11-21-2006 10:48 AM
|
Reply to: Message 32 by riVeRraT 11-21-2006 9:23 AM
|
|
Does this mean they won't stick up for my unborn child should someone intend to do harn to him/her/it. How? By magic? Or did you, like basically every abortion foe, forget once again that the unborn "child" you're so concerned about resides inside a woman who has rights? We'll stick up for her. If she wants to stay pregnant, we'll help her do that. I don't understand what scenario you imagine where your unborn "child" is in danger but she is not.
This message is a reply to: | | Message 32 by riVeRraT, posted 11-21-2006 9:23 AM | | riVeRraT has replied |
Replies to this message: | | Message 34 by riVeRraT, posted 11-21-2006 11:51 AM | | crashfrog has replied |
|
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
|
|
Message 60 of 161 (365369)
11-22-2006 11:43 AM
|
Reply to: Message 34 by riVeRraT 11-21-2006 11:51 AM
|
|
Does the unborn child have any rights? There's no such thing as an "unborn child." And no human being has the right to demand free tenancy inside another, unwilling human being. But you still haven't answered the question. You seem to think that your "unborn child" is at risk from... what, exactly? Some attacker lunging at it with a knife? How would that not be a crime against the mother, too? Unless you think liberals aren't interested in prosecuting assault against women? (That would be the position of conservatives, BTW, as evidenced by the conservative punditry's reaction to the Duke rape case.) No, of course not. What you want is the government to come down on the side of forced birth; you believe that your lack of a uterus is a disability that the government has an obligation to overcome by forcing a woman to bear your child. That's pretty gross.
This message is a reply to: | | Message 34 by riVeRraT, posted 11-21-2006 11:51 AM | | riVeRraT has replied |
Replies to this message: | | Message 61 by riVeRraT, posted 11-22-2006 1:48 PM | | crashfrog has replied |
|
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
|
|
Message 63 of 161 (365399)
11-22-2006 1:54 PM
|
Reply to: Message 61 by riVeRraT 11-22-2006 1:48 PM
|
|
The issue here is not when does a baby inside the womb become life. I agree, which is why no part of my post is about that.
How one be murder, and the other not? It isn't. It's only considered murder in a few states, and only in those states to provide a future justification for ending abortion. Arguing from the existence of those laws is circular reasoning, because those laws were passed only to allow you to argue from them. They serve no other purpose.
This message is a reply to: | | Message 61 by riVeRraT, posted 11-22-2006 1:48 PM | | riVeRraT has replied |
Replies to this message: | | Message 64 by riVeRraT, posted 11-22-2006 2:01 PM | | crashfrog has replied |
|
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
|
|
Message 65 of 161 (365406)
11-22-2006 2:05 PM
|
Reply to: Message 64 by riVeRraT 11-22-2006 2:01 PM
|
|
I don't know about you, but if I intended to have a child with my wife, and something happened where the baby was injured or killed from an outside force, such as a robber, I would want that person put in jail. and not just because he hurt a part of my wife, but because he hurt my future child. A "part" of your wife? Like, the functionality of her uterus is all you care about? For you to draw a distinction between harm to your wife and harm to your wife's reproductive organs is pretty sick, I think. But it proves what I've been saying all along - the only interest you have in your wife is her role, which you believe the government should give you the right to demand, in producing your progeny. And if your wife went off and had an abortion, because she realized that she's nothing but a baby machine to you? What then? Should she go to jail, too?
This message is a reply to: | | Message 64 by riVeRraT, posted 11-22-2006 2:01 PM | | riVeRraT has replied |
|
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
|
Re: flat tax
We could take a big chunk out of the headache for taxpayers by eliminating the Alternative Minimum Tax, which would reduce the IRS code (according to an IRS employee who spoke at 2005's IRS Nationwide Forum in Chicago) by more than eliminating the normal income tax. As I understand, that's one of the immediate priorities for next years Democratic congress. Sounds like a good idea to me.
This message is a reply to: | | Message 87 by truthlover, posted 11-24-2006 2:43 PM | | truthlover has not replied |
|
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
|
Re: Higher taxes ARE due to BUSH
I think if the American public knew the incredible progress that Clinton made on putting a stop to the increase in the national debt, they may still have ousted Clinton for his morals, but they would have demanded a continuation of his successful economic policies.
I think, for many voters (like me), that's what they thought they were getting when they voted Republican (in 2000, at least). Most people saw the change in spending as a result of the election of a Republican congress, and concluded from that "Republicans are good on spending." Little did they realize, of course, that the Republican budget plan was "spend even more, only spend it on different stuff." Our bad, I guess.
This message is a reply to: | | Message 120 by truthlover, posted 11-26-2006 5:24 PM | | truthlover has not replied |
|
crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
|
|
Message 135 of 161 (366234)
11-27-2006 10:08 AM
|
Reply to: Message 133 by nator 11-27-2006 9:36 AM
|
|
Re: slap back
You put up with a lot more than I think I would be capable of. (And thanks for all the interesting info about horses.)
This message is a reply to: | | Message 133 by nator, posted 11-27-2006 9:36 AM | | nator has replied |
Replies to this message: | | Message 139 by nator, posted 11-27-2006 11:17 AM | | crashfrog has not replied |
|