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Author Topic:   A Liberal's Pledge to Disheartened Conservatives ...by Michael Moore
riVeRraT
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Message 32 of 161 (365115)
11-21-2006 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by RAZD
11-17-2006 6:10 PM


We promise never to send your kids off to war based on either a mistake or a lie.
How's he gonna do that?
We will never stick our nose in your bedroom or your womb. What you do there as consenting adults is your business. We will continue to count your age from the moment you were born, not the moment you were conceived.
Does this mean they won't stick up for my unborn child should someone intend to do harn to him/her/it. Or is it just trash?
If you need an automatic weapon or a handgun to kill a bird or a deer, then you really aren't much of a hunter and you should, perhaps, pick up another sport. We will make our streets and schools as free as we can from these weapons and we will protect your children just as we would protect ours.
A nice setiment to protect us from ourselves, but not a reality.
I would agree except that people will always be able to make a handgun in their basement or something.
11. We will respect your religious beliefs, even when you don't put those beliefs into practice. In fact, we will actively seek to promote your most radical religious beliefs ("Blessed are the poor," "Blessed are the peacemakers," "Love your enemies," "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God," and "Whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me."). We will let people in other countries know that God doesn't just bless America, he blesses everyone. We will discourage religious intolerance and fanaticism -- starting with the fanaticism here at home, thus setting a good example for the rest of the world.
This is a good thing.
The kicker is:
I promise all of the above to you because this is your country, too. You are every bit as American as we are.
Then follows it with:
We are all in this together. We sink or swim as one.
There is nothing really "we" about his letter at all. The entire letter is based around "us and them", "or you guys, and us" That bothers me. It doesn't make me hate him, but makes me hate the fact that we are divided on some or all of these issues. Otherwise I don't mind what he says.

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riVeRraT
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Message 34 of 161 (365141)
11-21-2006 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by crashfrog
11-21-2006 10:48 AM


forget once again that the unborn "child" you're so concerned about resides inside a woman who has rights?
Does the unborn child have any rights?
Plus I never said the woman doesn't have any rights, she has every right in the world not to have intercourse. Unless she is raped against her will, then she should have the right to remove the baby, IMO.
Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

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riVeRraT
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Message 55 of 161 (365341)
11-22-2006 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Chiroptera
11-21-2006 6:29 PM


She also has the right to have intercourse, and to alleviate any undesired complications that might result from it.
Why?
Why is that a right?

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riVeRraT
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Message 56 of 161 (365342)
11-22-2006 9:10 AM
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11-21-2006 6:27 PM


She also has every right in the world to be, or not be,
Oh good, so we agree.

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riVeRraT
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Message 58 of 161 (365348)
11-22-2006 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Chiroptera
11-22-2006 9:14 AM


I proposed another topic, so we don't turn this into the abortion thread.

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riVeRraT
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Message 61 of 161 (365395)
11-22-2006 1:48 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by crashfrog
11-22-2006 11:43 AM


The issue here is not when does a baby inside the womb become life.
Yes, people have gone to jail for murder from killing an "unborn child".
How one be murder, and the other not?
Please, I started another thread, lets talk about it there.

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riVeRraT
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Message 64 of 161 (365402)
11-22-2006 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by crashfrog
11-22-2006 1:54 PM


It's only considered murder in a few states,
I don't know about you, but if I intended to have a child with my wife, and something happened where the baby was injured or killed from an outside force, such as a robber, I would want that person put in jail. and not just because he hurt a part of my wife, but because he hurt my future child.
In my mind, that would be considered murder. But abortion is not.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 66 of 161 (365432)
11-22-2006 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by crashfrog
11-22-2006 2:05 PM


A "part" of your wife? Like, the functionality of her uterus is all you care about? For you to draw a distinction between harm to your wife and harm to your wife's reproductive organs is pretty sick, I think. But it proves what I've been saying all along - the only interest you have in your wife is her role, which you believe the government should give you the right to demand, in producing your progeny.
Take that back please, that was uncalled for.

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