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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar writes: The significance of the empty cross seems to be lost on Evangelicals, Pentecostals and Fundamentalists and in that way they are far more like the Roman Catholics than the other Protestant sects. Jar, I have attended dozens of these churches regularly over the years whereas you have not. Without exception, the significance of the empty cross is very important to these groups. We all emphasise the resurrection in that empty cross symbol we wear and install on many of our churches, signifying that he is no longer on the cross or even dead in the grave, but alive and resurrected. I don't mean to imply that Catholics do not believe in the resurrection. I am not aware of anyone in these groups who have, wear or otherwise use crosses with a corpse on them. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
If this is the case, it is a very significant difference in Catholicism and other groups such as the thousands of fundamentalist evangelical churches church groups/denominations regarding baptism.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
The Protestant Reformation is what created the wide gap between the protesting ones and the RCC. Folks ammassed into the protestant movement to effect the consumation of Vatican City's oppressive domination of religious and political power.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar writes: The significance of the empty cross seems to be lost on Evangelicals, Pentecostals and Fundamentalists and in that way they are far more like the Roman Catholics than the other Protestant sects. You falsely accuse me of misrepresenting what you said. Did you or did you not say the above which is the false segment of your message I was addressing? Of course, you know you did. This statement in your message is just not true. I know for a fact that the empty cross symbol is a very significant doctrinal statement to these groups which I've been in regularly for over 60 years. You have provided no support to the bogus claim you insist on propagating. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar writes: Most Protestant Churches hold the same views and Sacraments regarding Baptism as the Roman Catholics. Evangelicals are a very large segment of Christianity, likely the majority, but not sure about that. They do not hold the same views and sacraments regarding Baptism. Most of these do not sprinkle or baptize babies. "Protestant" is a relative word so far as doctrine goes. The two major divisions are liberals/conservatives or evangelical/nonevangelical. Most evangelicals are also fundamentalist. These are the ones who differ the most with RCC on Baptism and they are a very significant percentage of Christians. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I mean it began as most movements do, small and grew rapidly into a popular movement as the people came out of RCC and formed their own denominations, groups and sects. That's what's in the history so far as I'm aware. If you can document otherwise, I'm willing to concede. So far I don't see where you've substantiated your claim.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar writes: I did NOT falsely accuse you of anything. I just said that you took one paragraph out of context. How specifically does the context change or nullify the statement to which I was responding? I chose to respond only to the statement in your context which I saw the greatest problem with as not being true. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
A link or two would suffice I would think for the present. I'm not sure I want to commit myself to a lot of time on a Reformation thread, but it might be a popular and interesting topic.
BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
mjfloresta writes: After a quick search of 10 or 12 different versions of the Bible I was unable to find any that included the word "again". They all read as versions of "Unless a man be born of water and the Holy Spirit he can not enter the kingdom of God". That's a significant difference with the 'again' the implication seems to be natural birth - whereas, with the 'again' included the interpretation of natural birth would be precluded. That's correct. My Greek/English interlinear does not have the "again" in the Greek text. Also the "again" is not in the Greek in John 3:3. The manuscripts say "from above," implicating a spiritual birth from God's Holy Spirit. Verse five answer's Nicodemus's question in verse four. It implies the physical birth via womb water and the spiritual via the HS. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
truthlover writes: The Greek can be translated either way, apparently, but only one makes any sense . Anything can be translated in any way, depending on how liberal the translation. The fact remains that "again" is not in the manuscripts from which it was translated. "Above" makes more sense in that it is a spiritual birth from above and not a 2nd physical phenomenon. Nick somehow took it that this "above" birth involved something physical as well. He was simply prying for clarification which Jesus gave. BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW ---- Jesus said, "When these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads, for your redemption draws near." Luke 21:28
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
I'm afraid we're leading off topic so I'll leave off with response. Suffice to say this new birth verse has been central to a large segment of non-Catholic evangelism whereas not so with RCs.
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