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Author Topic:   Are Catholics and Protestants that different?
kuresu
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Message 73 of 157 (370304)
12-16-2006 11:36 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by Hyroglyphx
12-16-2006 10:39 PM


Re: Mary Mary Quite Contrarian
NJ writes:
I think there might be unhealthy obsession with Mary and her virgin birth
Ringo is saying that Mary was not born of a virgin, unlike Jesus. You state "Mary and her virgin birth", as in, Mary was born of a Virgin, whereas as you should have said
I think there might be unhealthy obsession with Mary(sorry, don't know how to cross out) Jesus and her virgin birth
He's being, i think the word is, pedantical.

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kuresu
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Message 99 of 157 (370536)
12-17-2006 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Hyroglyphx
12-17-2006 8:53 PM


Re: Differences between Roman Catholic and Protestant Doctrine.
any one of those reasons certainly exacerbated the issue, especially the polarization of the masses growing disenchanted with the power of the Church
actually, the masses had very little input in the protestant reformation. when Martin Luther published his "Freedom of a Christian", plenty of German Peasants understood him as also meaning they were free of the head political authority figures (or social freedom). In response to the violence commited by the peasant groups, Martin Luther published "Against the Thieving, Murderous Hordes of Peasants". He detested their revolt.
The P. reformation was backed by german princes who basically wanted to be free of papal dominion. With the refusal of papal authority made explicit in the reformation, it gave them a way out. the reformation was backed in England for similar reasons, not the least of which was Henry VII wanting to divorce his current wife.
If anything, the reformation was more a political movement after the posting of the 95 faults Luther claimed the RCC had, many of which were, as jar notes, resolved in the council of trent.
The areas they did not concede in said council were on the seven sacrements, purgatory, and the spiritual value of indulgences. it also reasserted the authority of the papacy, bishops, and priests.

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kuresu
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Message 109 of 157 (370553)
12-17-2006 11:44 PM
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12-17-2006 11:24 PM


Re: Effect of the Reformation
care to clarify with what you mean by your statement?
If you mean to say that the protestant reformation was a popular movement (as in, carried out by the population), you are quite mistaken.
It is largely a political movement, carried out by the princes and monarchs of early modern europe.

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kuresu
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Message 116 of 157 (370564)
12-18-2006 12:10 AM
Reply to: Message 114 by Buzsaw
12-18-2006 12:07 AM


Re: Effect of the Reformation
kuresu writes:
The P. reformation was backed by german princes who basically wanted to be free of papal dominion. With the refusal of papal authority made explicit in the reformation, it gave them a way out. the reformation was backed in England for similar reasons, not the least of which was Henry VII wanting to divorce his current wife.
If anything, the reformation was more a political movement after the posting of the 95 faults Luther claimed the RCC had
buz writes:
So far I don't see where you've substantiated your claim.
if you want more, I'll have to start a new thread.

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