War on Christmas

One of the basic beliefs of Christianity is that the Christian God is the God of Judaism, the God of Abraham and Moses. That Jesus is the Messiah that that God promised to send. If the Christian God is NOT the God of Judaism then Christianity is false.

A mischaracterization of Islamic belief. Islam accepts both Jews and Christians as "People of the Book". Islam however is NOT either Christianity or Judaism. Like the Jews, Islam believes that Christians are wrong about Jesus being the Messiah. They are not out to destroy anyone who believes in a Trinity, they just think that they are wrong.Frankly, none of us alive will know for sure who is right.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Well, looks like I am being condemned to hell by the christian God for believing in the christian God. Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

Jesus is the God of Judeaism?

Well, as I said they do not believe in the Trinity. They also say that the decision will be after death. Islam is NOT out as you said, to destroy anyone who believes in Jesus.I said that both the Jews and Muslims do not believe Jesus is the Messiah.Allah though is the God of Abraham.Once we die we May find out who was right if any of them.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Jesus is the God of Judeaism?

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According to Christians, yes.

This is tap dancing.Jesus attributed all his actions to the Father. That Father was the God of Abraham. As you know.One can always use the differences that exist between the religions--and they are different religions--to try to deny the relationship that exists between them.But the relationship exists. Judaism, Christianity and Islam share a common origin--textually, culturally, historically. They all claim to monotheistic. They all identify the one God with the God of Abraham and Moses, David and Elijah.This family relationship is an obvious point--especially to anyone who is literate about faiths outside these three.Your original comment was that these three religions 'clearly' worship different Gods. The subsequent discussion suffices to show that, on the contrary, such an assertion is far from 'clear.' So regardless of the opinion one holds, the initial point stands refuted.__

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

Would RAZD agree with this? The only thing I am insisting about is that both words literally mean the same thing. Now again, I am wondering what the difference is between humanistic values, christian values, and general values. IIRC the 'self-evident truths' are those things which are to be considered universal values NOT American, christian or whatever else. ALL men are equal, and have the same rights.Does that match up to the teachings of Jesus? I will be vague. Yes.Edited by anastasia, : No reason given.

They all eventually make further identifications which rule out the possibility of the One God being the same one in each case.Showing the common origin of the three is not proving they now worship the same God.

Are you misrepresenting me? I did NOT say Islam is out to destroy anyone believing in Jesus. Why would I be so stupid? I said, one God is the Head of a Trinity, the other is out to destroy believers in a Trinity.

Jesus is not literally preaching a poliical philosophy based on reason that won't appear for another millennium and a half, no. But the idea of the social contract is compatible with, and owes something to, Christ's teaching about treating another as you would be treated, yes.The idea of rights also squares nicely with ideas promoted in ancient Athens and Rome, by Buddha, Socrates and Lao Tze, by Lessing and Mendelssohn, by the Celts and indigenous North American peoples. So in that sense we can certainly speak of 'universal' values being recognized in the Jeffersonian idea of democracy.___

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ArcherAll species are transitional.

And according to Jews, are they worshipping Jesus? Is He the same Abrahamic God?

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And according to Jews, are they worshipping Jesus? Is He the same Abrahamic God?

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If they believed that they would be Christians. So you are arguing that Christianity is false and Judaism is true ?

Sure I am not proposing that Jesus is the secret author of the Constitution, but I did want to slow down the claims that there is some huge difference between Christian values and American values.

No one mentioned proof. You can't prove whether people in two different but related faiths are praying to 'the same God' or not. How would you know this?The best you can do is go by is what they say. All three religions--Judaism, Christianity and Islam--claim to worship the same God. They agree about his general identity, nature and creative power. They identify him with the I AM who spoke to Moses. They part company over subsequent developments concerning his messengers.All images of the divine are necessarily imperfect. The issue you raise is this: How imperfect can a picture be before it is no longer a picture of the ultimate reality? And how would one know?Imperfection does not prevent a picture from signifying something true. All religions are imperfect, just as all are related in some way. Their pictures of the divine spring, at bottom, from the same source. Some pictures are more closely related to each other, even derived from one other. Other pictures are more distantly related.How divergent can pictures be before they represent different deities? It's a continuum. No one can prove the boundary. No one can, as you say, 'rule out the possibility' of identity.The only way to settle it would be to ask God. 'Do you feel like all these people are talking to you? Or do you feel like some of them misunderstand you so badly that they seem to be talking to someone else?'Then God can tell you what she thinks. And you'll have your proof.Until then you canonly deal with canons and claims. You're back where you started. Family relationships you can see. Same God? Well, that's what the books and the adherents tell me. Does God agree? No proof.___Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo.Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo.

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ArcherAll species are transitional.