Christianity, Knowledge and Science

Maybe, his point is overshadowed and buried by his flawed and errant conclusion that the god as depicted and defined in the bible is the true omniscient God of creation. His point is that this flawed vision of god is ultimate *knowledge* is mostly wrong.I agree with Jar's sentiment .... The bible is in no favorable position and has nothing in it to rationally consider it as an ultimate source of knowledge.

Sure, but how do you know you are surrendering to the true God and not some demigod or maybe even Satan. Faith and mystical beliefs cannot be trusted and that is amply demonstrated by history and 10000+ disparate religious system that exist within the realm of human thought. How is that *knowledge*!? That is hopelessness and a lack of options.Knowledge is finding the cure of leprosy!The cure of leprosy was not found by praying on your knees or holy inspired reading of the bible or submitting yourself on the alter of despair.The cure was founding by using the facilities that God provided.Deeply religious people often have traditionally hostile to the acquisition of knowledge because they know that it weakens their position that they have invested in.

Yes, that is the focus of religion to soothe the very natural fear of death. The fear of death is the primary mover behind religion.At one time leprosy was also greatly feared. Now science has eliminated that fear. The same, maybe true about death someday. And the Moslem's have a different answer, as do the Hindu's. "the resurrection" is just another conjecture in a long line of conjectures.Scottness, do you have any proof or evidence that your conjecture is reality?I believe that religion is a distraction (and an egotistical one at that) that takes our minds away from our destiny. Our destiny is beyond anything we can imagine at present. However, I have faith , that the path to our destiny involves the continued accumulation of knowledge and extension of the capabilities of the self-aware universe (humans and other higher lifeforms are pieces of self-aware universe).Primitive religion is often opposed to the systematic acquisition of knoweldge and the paradigm shift in our world view that results from new vantage points.This is why I tend to agree with the OP that religion can be, and has been, evil. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

Err... you avoided this question. Edited by iceage, : Wrong attribution sorry.

And the honest Muslim and Hindu would admit to the same.You have taken a condescending tone to the superiority of your position. But it is a position that cannot be measured. The combination of arrogance and lack of evidentiary support is appalling. You admitted to your weakness of throwing pearls before swine, but your pearls are imaginary.One more thought, earlier you also quoted a piece Chestertons's Suicide of thought. Today's jihadist and suicide bomber would find nothing to disagree with Chesterton. The world is black and white and with no contradiction. The skeptic maybe unsure but he not launching inquisitions, crusades or holy wars. The vast majority of scientist are skeptics, thru who are world is made more livable with less suffering. Religion consoles and attempts to explain suffering while the skeptics find the cure.

How can lowly humans do anything to the omniscience all powerful God?Wasn't the crucification preordained and prophesied? So how can lowly humans have done anything.It is like if one wrote a bug into a computer program and when the program was executed and crashed one blames the code or the computer and not the programmer.