Christianity, Knowledge and Science

You mean the ressurection... If you mean under the criteria of the scientific method, no.

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Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

EvC Forum: I met God I know more than that!

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Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

Are you offended my lord?EvC Forum: I met God Warning! AdminPhat.Edited by AdminPhat, : warning

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Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

Well laugh all you want. I forgot to dot my T (get it? dot my T).2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.

Well, here is what I said to Cocytus, then I'll add more to clarify:Cocytus said:My response was:You see Sidelined, God knows all in terms of cause and result. He can see when knowledge crosses the line. But He is Spirit, so it's not as though he does those things.We on the other hand live in the physical world, so those ideas (that are potential evils) have material consequences and become evil.It's not as though things are always good and evil. There is some knowledge that is good in it's proper time and place, that is bad if we decide to take it now and use it at the wrong time.Only God can give that kind of insight and help reprogram us from being enslaved by our fleshy instincts.There is some confusion that God gets to do all these things and will not share with us the pleasure. No... if you want to know what God would do in the physical world, look at His sinless Son.And also look at what we did to Him...Of course good is not terrible... but how do we know what is good and what is evil, and when, and how, and for what ultimate purpose?
Why someone elses purpose instead of ours? Hitler wasn't going to give up his naturalistic framework for anyone. He followed the logic all the way off the cliff. But his starting point was flawed. We are not just blood and soil.

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Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

If you were God, would you allow them freedom? Or would you create nonsentient robots as your neighbors? That one's tough... real tough! Well God told us not to eat the bug. But then again, God did put it there huh?I see your point; God is ultimately responsible.If He is good, He will give us an out...But what if He took responsibility and paid with his own life rather than condmen us?Would you take that out?If not, then How does God condemn you?

His own demand for justice; Himself!

Ringo: It's not silly at all Ringo... it's just the nature of self sacrifice.You believe in it too... because you honor yourself for sacrificing your time to overturn these lies of mine and making things right. Which only proves I am not a liar.The only difference is self serving vs other serving.If my 3 yr old son ran into the street and I could, and did, push him out of the way of a car at the expense of my own life, I would be sacrificing myself for him.It would be 'Just', and as such be admired (by some anyway).Justice is God's virtue, so when God serves Himself, He serves others.Is that not knowledge Ringo?

Is it really that hard to understand? Do you not perceive the knowledge therein?Your analgoy was indeed excellent. A fine piece of critical thinking if I do say so myself. But... You stopped too soon. Just continue your own reasoning Straggler, for it is flawless!In your analogy, I, playing the role of God as per your analogy, did not hold the driver responsible either. I took the responsibility. To hold either of YOU responsible would be to LET Ya'll be run over by judgement. Why do you hold the driver responsible for your foolishness (your running in the road)? Should the driver call you a fool because you ran into the street? It is a tragedy for both. A realization that there is danger about. who is to blame?I died so that you would see how serious running in the road is. And driving without extreme caution along the way. It will kill you or others. Both you and the driver should be humbled by the reality of life's dangers.But if part of you thinks, "What a fool! He died for me?" and you continue to play in the street, it is not I who condemn you but yourself. If the driver says, "It was not my responsibility" and continues to not pay attention to details, how have I condemned him? If he will not let me take responsibility for him, then he must pay. but it is not I who make him do so.And even that mistake in thinking, I sacrificed myself for. To invoke thought on your parts. To place the decision in your hands. To give you some time to ponder so that you need not destroy yourselves.If you will not accept my sacrifice for you, then you cannot be redeemed. You will continue in your with absolute intention to remain as you are. My sacrifice is the only way beside paying the piper yourself which I do not wish for you. I love you. That is for you to decide... Being God, I only do what is right. I will not force you to acknowledge me. If you do not, it is because of your own ambitions. I gave you dignity and worth by sacrificing myself. Why do you rip it apart and not acknowledge your worth?I will make such a profound sacrifice for the whole world; a glaring beacon, an unimaginable image, a time splitting moment, and a blinding light that the whole world will marvel at the utter mystery of it. 'What is that?', they will say. And I will send my people to you to unveil the mystery, since you do not seek me yourself, I will call you.You will have no excuse for not having accepted but your own self-condemning ambitions.John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day.John 12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."