Immigration issues

don't forget. the "natives" were immigrants, too.

i really think you need to take some time to learn about how taxes work.companies have to pay taxes from their profits. this is completely unrelated to the sales tax that state governments charges CONSUMERS for the purchase of goods and services. the reason the stores collect sales tax is because it would be completely unenforceable to require people to mail their receipts and a tax payment. florida, for one, does not have a state income tax (as mentioned by several other people). last years' sales tax revenues were over $22 million. this shows the total tax revenue for the 05-06 fiscal year. this is because we have a tourist heavy economy. so, we charge our visitors to pay for our government. we also charge our residents. i believe the tax in my county is 7.5% (some of this is additional local penny taxes for schools and such). everything except fresh food (and lemonade stands) is taxed.btw, here is our new governor's proposed budget. it lists our total operating and fco (whatever that is.) costs for next year at $114.5 billion. hopefully, the whole hurricane stigma that kept our sales tax revenues down last year will wear off and the snowbirds will come back. i never thought i'd say that.let me demonstrate to you the money i might pay to my state and local governments in an average week. i'll include my double-charging phone bill taxes.i am charged $8andchange a month on my cell phone bill for communications tax. twice. two separate precisely equal taxes. i pay almost $17 dollars in telecommunications tax on my $50 cell phone bill. (this does not include sales tax.)i pay 7.5% on every dollar of my monthly budget short of rent and fresh foods. but i'm poor, so my foods tend to be processed, which carry tax. so i just did my budget for the next 7 months, so i'll go find that. so my monthly budget short rent and food is $1200 so i pay $90 a month in sales tax.my rent is $450, so i don't know what portion of that goes to the taxes on the $300k or so house i live in.if i park to go to the beach, i have to pay the meter.i have so much money that i pay directly to the state for my education.so considering that i live around 5000 a year below the poverty line here, and almost anyone who works makes more than i do and thus spends more than i do, my measly 140 a month in non-income taxes is no doubt dwarfed by even the inputs of illegals. also note, i don't have car payments and i don't pay my own insurance.as to income taxes, which you propose being the only "real" form of taxes,
minnesota's report on illegal immigration impact said this. they also say their cost associated with illegals is between $148-$188 million. of course, they include citizen children of undocumented workers, as though somehow these children are less deserving of their american birthright than the children of "real americans" like good, white, baptist, americans from alabama. the center for immigration studies says that the illegals would actually cost twice as much or more if they were legal. how funny is that?

well then somebody's been telling stories, cause i remember all kinds of shit about how canada was letting in the terrorists.

well. he is a cop. i only mention it because it's one of the reasons they use for building the damned wall. i don't mind politics, clearly. i dislike how politicians use excuses to disadvantage people by their race. i was jokingly referring to bay of pigs and kennedy. clearly this is a judgement of how the people are doing. it has not changed the hold of the government. therefore it is a failure. the point of embargos is not to strike the people with poverty to punish them for their leader, it is to aid in the removal of the leader. it has failed. they keep saying he's alive, but i haven't seen him. i won't believe it till i see him. now who's conflating arguments?
also, you probably don't understand how it works. i'm not a huge fan of it, but it doesn't mean you automatically just hire the first minority who applies for the job. it means if a black and a white or a man and a woman apply to the same job and are equally qualified, you opt for the minority. because presumably, people would have ordinarily opted for the white guy. this is a crap argument. there is absolutely no evidence that population rises destroy economies. none. and don't try to whne about how population increase causes poverty. it doesn't. i've researched it. there's no real evidence for it. it's a non-causative relationship. so?my last post suggests that if they were legal, then they'd cost the government more money... at least twice as much. if you're really interested in population control, then the solution is to close the borders and institute birth control policies. but you're not interested in population control. this idea that you have that there are only a certain number of jobs is not supported by reality. more people means more services and goods are needed. more demand means more outlets and that means more jobs. blah blah blah. do you really think that the jobs that illegals take are jobs that americans would have? in this country we have over half of the world's wealth. we can afford to reeducate citizens so they can get better jobs. but they don't want better jobs, they want comfortable and they want to complain about this non-existant wholesale theft of our economy. because it doesn't give the privacy for a husband to properly beat his wife? sorry. just had to. have you ever done migrant farm work? you wanna tell me about how much more you know about this situation than i do. have you ever done migrant farmwork? no, you haven't. and neither has or would most americans. i have. and you really couldn't pay me enough to repeat it. but they will and we need to products they provide through their efforts. if you couldn't get your muffins with maine blueberries, you'd be pretty pissy, i'm sure. do you have any idea what you're talking about? do you think local mainiacs actually work either the blueberry fields or the cranberry bogs? you're more unaware than i thought. migrants work all of it. that's what reeducation is for. being lazy is no excuse for having a shitty job. you are aware that most jobs have training? as well you should. make shitty cars, go out of business.
further, the overaction of the unions up there made it unbearably expensive. unions are great. i love them. but when they're not interested in making conditions better, but leeching out money, you have a serious problem. after making $60 an hour and throwing it away on boats and shit, i'm sure they could stand to get a real job. how about they get a degree and go teach. everyone keeps talking about job shortages. i say, there's an unconscionable teacher shortage. how about we move some people from ford to detroit's inner city schools?so you agree with me that the problem is businesses? and yet we're all supposed to trust the policies the republicans come up with? oh great. nothing like feeding the problem by supporting the business party. jesus.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.

also, by taking out the income taxes for their illegals and paying them, the businesses can easily claim and have some evidence to prove that they did not know the person's illegal status. it helps cover the company's ass.

if i weren't spoken for, i'd be sending many obscene propositions your way. happy valentine's day.

actually, you seem to not have understood what i said. if illegal immigrants were legal, they would cost the government at least twice as much money.i think illegal immigration is wrong, but unlike you, i don't see these people as criminals. they're not taking jobs away from americans that they wouldn't be taking if they were legal. taking our jobs is an argument against all immigration, not against illegal immigration.i'm not really certain i see much danger in a free border, but a free border would mean that all immigrants would be legal.the reason i oppose it is because it is illegal to come here illegally, silly. but i don't think anything about these people or how they live makes them inherently evil. what i would like to see is a change in our immigration policy to make it much easier to come here at all and a chance for these tax-paying individuals to be on the right side of the law. i would like to see action by the developed world to aid other nations in making improvements instead of continuying to let our companies take advantage of their citizens and sapping all the money from their economic systems.i'm not interested in the crazy ideas that we should keep other or more people out of our nation. i'm interested in creatig a better world for our citizens and the citizens of other nations.

what exactly is that desired goal?cause, as i see it, the only goals we have are profit, celebrity, ignorance, and war. we're completely unconcerned with the rights of others; we're completely unconcerned with anything but american idol and making more money. if these are the goals you want us to lead the world toward, i'd say the world is better off without us.we say that we want to lead the world to protect human rights and free trade and whatever. but we refuse every opportunity to defend human rights that doesn't stand to make us money. and we do fight for free trade, but it's not really free trade. poor people who cannot fight for the equal contract they deserve do not have free trade with big american companies. they can't. truly free trade will be fair trade.

you're right. i much prefer the first world violence of imperialism, preemptive war, genocide, child molestation, domestic abuse, serial murder, hate crimes, corporate abuse, minimum wage jobs. not to mention those first world diseases like aids, cancer, obesity, tb, flu, heart disease, alcoholism, drug abuse, herpes.you know what. next time you decide to talk about how diseased and violent third world people are, you should... i dunno. think.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.Edited by brennakimi, : No reason given.