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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5879 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
This entire post is confusing and vague to me, Rob. I don't understand your point at all. Well a chapter of a book isn't very interesting without the context. You'll have to read through our conversation from a few posts back if you want to make heads or tails of it. Ringo does as masterful a job as anyone in confuting the issues.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Rob writes: Because... there... is... no... way... to... tell... if... you... are... moving... forward... if... you... don't... know... what... you... are... looking... for... Silly, silly, silly. The toes are in the front. Just keep following the toes.
Simple pleasure is so hard to find after riding the waves of bliss as you have huh? I thought you were the one who claimed to have found the Perfect Wave™. I doubt that you have. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5879 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
I thought you were the one who claimed to have found the Perfect Wave™. I doubt that you have. No no... my indulgences have been... rather bland to a man of your tastes. What's left when it doesn't do it for you any more Ringo? Where do you go for excitement when you've exhausted all of the avenues of semi-legal erotica? You go to the grave, that's where... And yet forgiveness is within your reach. It's free!
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message or continue in this vein. Take comments to the Moderation Thread. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Don't start preaching, Rob. Im gonna get this topic back on course if you all give me a few minutes to break the darn thing down!
I'll be back.....
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Ringo writes: But I can think of lots of things to doubt: Jesus' existence, Jesus' divinity, Paul's veracity, the Trinity, the Fall, the Flood, Satan, God's motives.... These are a few of my favouite doubts. Doubts, Ringo? They are some of my favourite study subjects. Assume they are all absolutely true, and then ask yourself if you want them to be. Ask yourself if they have meaning for you. That's doubt.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
Rob writes: For the record... I din't know what doubt was until I believed. Then all Hell broke loose! Doubt is essential for us... If you would just take it from here all Hell might be leashed. How and why is doubt essential to a Christian? And what is the nature of a beneficial doubt?
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One_Charred_Wing Member (Idle past 6186 days) Posts: 690 From: USA West Coast Joined: |
Dang it, Jar. I leave for one day and you take my brownie points!
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
anastasia writes: Assume they are all absolutely true, and then ask yourself if you want them to be. Ask yourself if they have meaning for you. That's doubt. Wassamatta? Afraid to doubt that they're true? Afraid of finding no meaning? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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macaroniandcheese  Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: |
reality has nothing to do with what you want to be true, but what is demonstrable.
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5984 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
brennakimi writes: reality has nothing to do with what you want to be true, but what is demonstrable. I don't think I said that what I want makes anything true. I said 'assume you aren't happy with the truth'.
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CTD Member (Idle past 5900 days) Posts: 253 Joined: |
Phat wrote (Msg. 1) Topic Question: Discuss why Christians or anyone else should or should not doubt, and whether it is ever appropriate to take a stand rather than remaining ever questioning and uncommitted. but now Ringo writes: There is every reason. How can you know you have the "right" answer? Don't you doubt your own infallibility? Once more, the topic isn't about why you "shouldn't" doubt - it's why you're afraid to doubt. All you're doing is demonstrating that you are. This is great. I'm breathing. Now I'm not infallible, so I recognize that there is some strange, remote possibility I could be mistaken about this fact. Just how much time should I spend doubting that I am breathing? Hmmm? What profound insight is to be gained? How will it profit me in any way to doubt that I'm breathing, just because I'm not infallible. I contend that there are dozens, nay hundreds of issues it is foolish to go about doubting. So teach me, if you can. Convince me that confidence is never warranted, or grant that some issues aren't worthy of doubt. Perhaps we can make progress from there.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
CTD writes: Convince me that confidence is never warranted, or grant that some issues aren't worthy of doubt. I never said that. Some issues are worthy of doubt. The question still remains: Are you so afraid of doubt that you have to trivialize the important issues? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5879 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Phat:
Jabberwockian Ramblings So does jar run this show or what? Edited by Rob, : No reason given.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5879 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
How and why is doubt essential to a Christian? And what is the nature of a beneficial doubt? It forces one to open up within his (or her) assumptions. It reveals the real motivations for the belief. If you noticed... Jesus always questioned his questioners... Mark 10:17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. John 18:33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, "Are you the king of the Jews?" 34 "Is that your own idea," Jesus asked, "or did others talk to you about me?" John 3:9 "How can this be?" Nicodemus asked. 10 "You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things? So to you I say this Anastasia... You are Isreals teacher and you do not know these things? Mt 7:5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. Edited by Rob, : No reason given.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5879 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Phat:
Don't start preaching, Rob Wasamatta Phat? Where do you find that in the scriptures? These boys are jerkin you senseless... I won't name names. Snap out of it!
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