God's existence cannot be proven logically!

Any logical argument by definition follows a sequence of statements that are presented in a specified order. Therefore, the logical argument must proceed in time.God must exist outside of time. Otherwise, s/he would be constrained by time and could only act in a time sequenced manor. This would make god subservient to time and time itself a power higher than god. Thus, god, by definition the highest existing power, must be above, outside of, and independent of time.Therefore, logical arguments and logic itself simply do not have the power or purview to prove the existence of god or anything about god.On the other hand, this argument is itself a logical (time sequenced) set of statements and may not be applicable to its topic. Am I right or am I right? This logically belongs in Faith and Belief, I think.

If you google on "logical proof of god's existence" you will get some idea of how limited your "We" is. I didn't bother to read all 1,100,000 hits, and many of these are refutations of various proofs or not really related to the topic, but there are hordes of sites espousing classical "proofs" or proposing new ones. Many of these make quite amusing reading, but are presented with complete sincerity. Now you are debating the topic rather than adjudicating its admissibility. Let's first get the topic promoted. Then we can start the debate. The proposed thread is not about anyone's personal beliefs about the existence of god. It is about the possibility of a logical proof (or disproof) of that existence, and, as a corollary, what constraints such a proof would have on the reality of any god that is logically provable. If that makes it inappropriate for the 'Faith and Belief" forum, than it is your call as to where it best belongs. My faith and belief concerning this topic proposal is articulated in the first three lines of the OP: that a logical proof of god's existence is inconsistent with a timeless god. My faith and belief concerning god himself (herself, itself, yourself, themselves, those-selves, etc.) is irrelevant to this discussion.What I am trying to do in this thread is to address all those people and arguments (and they are legion) that are convinced that god's existence is logically inescapable and that the agnostic and atheistic position can only be held by disregarding the compelling force of logic. In my OP, I propose to do this with a single, simple overarching argument (rather than arguing each 'proof' individually) that shows that all such arguments are necessarily invalid. It is this argument and position that I wish to see debated in this thread. I believe that my argument is valid. But I may be wrong. It's happened before. Well, okay, it's never happened before; I was just trying to show a little humility. But the discussion might be interesting.

The OT demonstrates that god, in fact, does not have control over time (and therefore must exist within time and be constrained by time.). After the great flood, god tells Noah that he (god) overreacted a tad in destroying 99.9999999% of all life and expresses extreme regret for having done so. I'll let someone else find the actual bible verse. If god had any influence on time, he could merely have backed up 300 days and taken a different tack. Even Superman was able to reverse time (using the simple and completely physical expedient of super-luminary travel) to bring Lois back to life and change history. On the other hand, if god did in fact reverse time to eliminate some segment of history that got him really, really pissed off, how would we know?

A straight line in space can go from minus infinity to plus infinity with every point on that line existing in space. In the same way an eternal anything can exist from the infinite past (of time) to the infinite future (of time), and still have every instant of its existence take place in time. Eternal/immortal spirits, gods, or whatevers can exist in time. Certainly, an omnipotent god can exist in time any time he wants to. The logic of this argument does not apply to the existence of god. It applies to the limits of logical arguments. And a system of logic can certainly be used to establish its own limit of applicability. Riverrat, after all the thousands of posts that you have posted, whose illogic and shoot-from-the-hip irrationality have been carefully explained to you, I would think by now that you would have learned to put a little more thought into your missives.

But the sidebar shows: So, 4883 posts of which 2378 are totally erroneous (including this one), 1290 that are partially erroneous and a very few that just repeat what has been told to you. This is a very interesting interpretation. Could you show, or just outline, how you are able to conclude this very important change from the bible text?

I also exist 'everywhen'. Even before my birth and after my death the molecules, atoms, electrons, quarks of my body exist at all points of time that the universe exists. However, I am only consciously aware of one point in time and only cognizant of a few small stretches of recent time.If god is aware and cognizant of all points in time (at the same time), then he knew the events that would transpire in the garden of eden, even before he created the heaven and the earth, and he even knew that he would bring the great flood and then regret that he had done so. He just wouldn't have been able to stop himself.This sure makes it sound like if god is 'outside of time', i. e., he is aware of all instances of time continuously, then god must be subservient to time.