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ICANT
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Message 27 of 57 (400859)
05-16-2007 11:35 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by Buzsaw
05-16-2007 10:41 PM


Re: God Exists Within The Universe
God, having eternally existed, has always had a universe around him to exist in so imo, time is eternal.
Buz if your statement is correct then Genesis 1:1 is false. (God could not create the heaven if it was His residing place.)
Is this what you are saying?
I do not believe God's existence can be proven logically!
I do not believe God's existence can be proven to anyone that has not received Him by faith.
I know that God exists because He has proved Himself to me over the last 58 years.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 32 of 57 (400974)
05-17-2007 4:36 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by dwise1
05-17-2007 2:13 AM


Re: God Exists Within The Universe
Now why did ICANT refuse to produce those documents with God's signature.
I didn't refuse, I just ignored your request.
Because I think you are smart enough to know from all my other posts that I believe He gave them to me through the abilities and opportunities that he gave me to be able to acquire them.
And are you trying to claim that Heaven is a physical place? That it has an actual physical location? OK then, where is it?
When the day of the Lord has come, The earth as you and I know it will have melted with fervent heat, (I think science has something to say to this effect, that it will happen). Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth, there will be no need for the sun or the moon as God will be the light. On that new earth there will be the New Jerusalem the City of God, that will have streets of gold. The new heaven and earth will be Heaven. Reve. chapter 21 & 22.
2Pet 3:10 (KJS) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 [Seeing] then [that] all these things shall be dissolved, what manner [of persons] ought ye to be in [all] holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? {hasting...: or, hasting the coming}
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
Reve 21:1 (KJS) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
They are obviously supernatural and cannot be natural.
I agree.
God the Father and God the Spirit are beings that the mind of man can not begin to understand. God the Son on the other hand was manifest in a human body so we could understand Him and He could pay man's sin debt.
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 34 of 57 (401040)
05-18-2007 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by dwise1
05-17-2007 8:15 PM


Re: God Exists Within The Universe
Again, as I have said, believin' don't necessarily make it so.
I agree with that statement.
Not believing don't necessarily make it not so either.
I believe that God created the Heavens and the Earth and everything in it. Since He created it that means it belongs to Him. Since He allowed His Son to die for my sins and I am no longer my own since I have been bought with a price I belong to God. Since I belong to God everything I have belongs to God, that includes my talent and my time.
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 38 of 57 (401068)
05-18-2007 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Buzsaw
05-18-2007 12:51 AM


Re: God Exists Within The Universe
Genesis 1:1 does not mention universe.
Then is the universe outside of the heaven mentioned in Genesis 1:1?
Imo, it's logical that since his book predicts so many events of world history as accurately as it has shown, this is evidence of his existence.
Maybe I should have put a qualifier on my statement. "I do not believe God's existence can be proven logically!" To include the phrase to the natural man.
1Cor 2:14 (KJS) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
I know that to a Born again child of the King (someone that has received the Holy Spirit to lead them and guide them) it is not a problem.
I like the foretelling of electricity, the automobile, airplane, our communications systems such as we are using to discuss these things, as well as many other predictions that have come to pass already. I look forward to the many predictions that are yet to come to be.
Buz, there is one prediction that if it never comes to be that will prove what you and I believe is false.
Roma 14:11 (KJS) For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
Reve 20:11 (KJS) And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. {hell: or, the grave}
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
When these thing do come to be there is going to be a lot of theories that are going to be proven false.
The only problem will be, is that it is too late to correct the eternal destiny of those who held the false theories.
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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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